Thursday, November 11, 2010

Puff piece for seedy abortionist Carhart

Doctor opening new late-term abortion clinics in D.C. area, Iowa

I'll just pick apart objectionable stuff as I find it.
A Nebraska doctor who is one of the few in the country to perform abortions late in a pregnancy....

A handful?

Let's check Abortion Clinics Online, shall we?

Alabama - 1 (thru 24 weeks LMP)
Arkansas - 1 (thru 21.3 weeks LMP)
California - 9 (thru and beyond 26 weeks) (1 offers 17 locations)

Colorado - 1 (past 26+ weeks LMP)

Connecticut - 2 (thru 24 weeks LMP)
DC - 1 (thru 26 weeks LMP)
Florida - 3 (thru 24 weeks)
Georgia - 3 (thru 26 weeks)

Illinois - 2 (thru 24 weeks)
Massachusetts 1 - (thru 23 weeks)
Michigan - 3 (thru 24 weeks)
Nevada - 1 (thru 24 weeks)
New Jersey - 1 (thru 24 weeks)
New York - 2 (thru 24 weeks)

Ohio - 2 (thru 24 weeks)
Oregon - 1 (thru 24 weeks)
Texas - 1 (thru 24 weeks)

That's 35, just counting the ones that choose to advertise through Abortion Clinics Online. That's a pretty big handful.
LeRoy Carhart said he decided to open the clinics because Nebraska had implemented a new law that made it illegal to perform abortions beyond the 20th week of a pregnancy.

Note how conveniently they omit the fact that the 20 week cut-off is based on evidence of the abortion causing the baby pain. Picture a preemie in an incubator. Picture Carhart reaching in with forceps and pulling off arms and legs. That's what Carhart does -- rips arms and legs off living babies the same age as those babies in the NICU.

But the writer of the article just ignores that point.
"The laws are more favorable in these other jurisdictions, and we're going to do the maximum the law allows," Carhart said in a telephone interview with The Washington Post.

If he's learned anything in the 11 years he worked for Tiller, it's going beyond what the law allows. On paper, Kansas law says that no abortion may be performed after viability unless the attending physician and another financially and legally independent physician determine that an abortion is necessary to preserve the woman's life or continuation of the pregnancy would cause a "substantial and irreversible impairment of a major bodily function" of the woman. But Tiller and his employees performed abortions past viability based on scant diagnostic criteria, and sometimes NO diagnosis whatsoever. Carhart himself appears to be the one who performed the fatal 28-week abortion on Christin Gilbert, a healthy 19-year-old with Down Syndrome.

In other words, Carhart's likely to perform abortions on any woman brought to him, as long as somebody ponies up the dough.
The location was selected based on a combination of factors, including which jurisdiction had the most favorable laws.

In other words, the state that does the least to protect the women in question from quacks who open abortion mills in old muffler shops. And I'll at least give them credit for including the picture of Carhart's current charming locale. Please note the garage bay doors on the lower level, and the old jalopy brick work. It's refreshing to see that Carhart got that junked truck towed away.


OperationCounterstrike said...

NEWSFLASH: 24 weeks is not "late in pregnancy". It's still the second trimester. That's the MIDDLE of pregnancy.

OperationCounterstrike said...

Having said that, I should add, I agree that the media exaggerate how difficult it is to find someone to do a third-trimester abortion.

I could list ten abortion docs who do third-trimester abortions, whom you've never heard of.

Not everyone is as public about it as Drs. Tiller and Carhart.

GrannyGrump said...

He was specifically branching out of Nebraska because they wouldn't let him kill babies older than 20 weeks, so everybody advertising older than 20 weeks is relevant.

And there really is no agreed upon definition of "late term abortion" that I could find. Abortion Clinics Online listed those that were in the 20+ weeks category.

I'll steal this from Wikipedia:

A late-term abortion often refers to an induced abortion procedure that occurs after the 20th week of gestation. However, the exact point when a pregnancy becomes late-term is not clearly defined. Some sources define an abortion after 12 completed weeks' gestation as "late".[1][2] Some sources define an abortion after 16 weeks as "late".[3][4] Three articles published in 1998 in the same issue of the Journal of the American Medical Association could not agree on the definition. Two of the JAMA articles chose the 20th week of gestation to be the point where an abortion procedure would be considered late-term.[5] The third JAMA article chose the third trimester, or 27th week of gestation.[6]

The point at which an abortion becomes late-term is often related to the "viability" (ability to survive outside the uterus) of the fetus. Sometimes late-term abortions are referred to as post-viability abortions. However, viability varies greatly among pregnancies. Nearly all pregnancies are viable after the 27th week, and no pregnancies are viable before the 21st week. Everything in between is a "grey area".[6]

# ^ "Abortion." (n.d.) Encyclopædia Britannica Online. Retrieved April 19, 2007.
# ^ Wahlberg, Vivian. (2006). Memories After Abortion. Abingdon, UK: Radcliffe Publishing.
# ^ a b Torres, Aida and Forrest, Jacqueline Darroch. (1988). Why Do Women Have Abortions. Family Planning Perspectives, 20 (4), 169-176. Retrieved April 19, 2007.
# ^ Weihe, Pál, Steuerwald, Ulrike, Taheri, Sepideh, Færø, Odmar, Veyhe, Anna Sofía, & Nicolajsen, Did. (2003). The Human Health Programme in the Faroe Islands 1985-2001. In AMAP Greenland and the Faroe Islands 1997-2001. Danish Ministry of Environment. Retrieved April 19, 2007.
# ^ Sprang, M.L, and Neerhof, M.G. (1998). Rationale for banning abortions late in pregnancy. Journal of the American Medical Association, 280 (8), 744-747.
Grimes, D.A. (1998). The continuing need for late abortions. Journal of the American Medical Association, 280 (8), 747-750.
# ^ a b Gans Epner, J.E., Jonas, H.S., Seckinger, D.L. (1998). Late-term abortion. Journal of the American Medical Association, 280 (8), 724-729.

So, by generally accepted definitions, post 20-weeks is pretty solidly "late term".

OperationCounterstrike said...

No, among ob/gyns, "late term" means third trimester.

GrannyGrump said...

If you want to argue with Family Planning Perspectives and with David Grimes, have at it.

And I'll give you a chance to show off your superior knowledge by asking you to tell our studio audience what Family Planning Perspectives is, and who David Grimes is, and how you qualify as more knowledgeable about late abortion than they are. The floor is yours.

Kathy said...

I'd consider "late term" to be 3rd-trimester; but I can understand the rationale for having it be "post-viability" or starting at 20 weeks. The legal medical definition of miscarriage is a fetal loss prior to 20 weeks, while losses at 20 weeks or later are termed stillbirths (if the baby is born dead) or preterm births (if born alive, even if the baby lives only a few minutes).

However, the article said Carhart wanted to do abortions "late" in pregnancy which was apparently only defined in this article as "past 20 weeks," since he was leaving Nebraska for that cut-off. And considering that most abortion advocates rest on the fact that "most abortions are done early in pregnancy, done in the first trimester, or at least before 16 weeks" as a justification for the procedure, many people will understandably call anything after the first trimester, or 16 weeks, or 20 weeks, or viability, or 27 weeks as "late" in pregnancy. This article was not written by an OB, so it is more important how it was used in the article, and what the average person reading the article would think, than how an OB would use the term.

OperationCounterstrike said...

Yeah, I met David Grimes at a convention. Nice guy!

GrannyGrump said...

That wasn't what I invited you to share. You are saying that he is wrong in how he defines "late term abortion." I wanted you to explain to our lurkers exactly who David Grimes is, and why you believe that you're a more highly qualified expert on the subject of abortion than he is.

OperationCounterstrike said...

I'm not! Grimes is one of the leading abortion experts in the world.

GrannyGrump said...

Grimes argues that "late term abortion" is oxymoric (since "term" means the pregnancy has reached the point of fetal maturity for birth), and notes that there IS NO CONSENSUS in terminology regarding abortion.

But you're saying he's wrong.

OperationCounterstrike said...

No, I'll go with "no consensus". The phrase "late in pregnancy" is subject to individual interpretation.

But among OB/GYNs, in my experience, they use the term to refer to third trimester, even to the approaching END of the third trimester.