tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8395646.post1888213164276140942..comments2024-03-06T19:21:15.708-05:00Comments on RealChoice: Mark Driscoll on Birth Control and AbortionChristina Duniganhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04785550737493692252noreply@blogger.comBlogger25125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8395646.post-50250716163261239042010-08-01T23:53:38.817-04:002010-08-01T23:53:38.817-04:00"The logic of convenience" - YES! What&#..."The logic of convenience" - YES! What's wrong with that? I say, nothing.L.https://www.blogger.com/profile/13437332749627332216noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8395646.post-50568182079960491392010-08-01T23:52:25.268-04:002010-08-01T23:52:25.268-04:00Yes, SegaMon, exactly! I contracept because of con...Yes, SegaMon, exactly! I contracept because of convenience -- that is indeed one of the reasons. Giving birth and raising babies is quite inconvenient, to say the least.<br /><br />No baby is invited into my uterus, which I render as unwelcoming as possible. I attempt to prevent pregnancy by every means possible, except for one: Abstinence doesn't work, for me and my life partner.<br /><br />I'm mystified as to why anyone would want a woman like me to HAVE babies -- shouldn't society be congratulating me for preventing them?<br /><br />My partner thought that when he hooked up with a Catholic girl, he would get a big family out of me -- he found out otherwise, that I am not THAT kind of Catholic girl. ;)L.https://www.blogger.com/profile/13437332749627332216noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8395646.post-91479880863765237062010-08-01T23:28:11.526-04:002010-08-01T23:28:11.526-04:00You've made one giant leap over logic right th...You've made one giant leap over logic right there. Yet another failed analogy.Ruperthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16141432408537488025noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8395646.post-78072071593282377212010-08-01T23:18:03.878-04:002010-08-01T23:18:03.878-04:00Baby cannot be a trespasser into your uterus. Unle...Baby cannot be a trespasser into your uterus. Unless you consider a trespasser to be a person that came over to your house that you invited over.<br /><br />Does anyone have logic anymore? Or maybe people do but decide to use the "logic of convenience."Tonal Blisshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03198001091701514327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8395646.post-55821131728382255132010-08-01T20:36:07.100-04:002010-08-01T20:36:07.100-04:00Ha, that's such a silly metaphor -- I'm no...Ha, that's such a silly metaphor -- I'm not a car, nor is my uterus a car's trunk. Nor am I a kidnapper -- the baby is a trespasser, a parasite, particularly if it were to result from a rape -- which of course I hope it never does. I just don't want anything growing in there again, ever, whether tumor or baby, nothin', please! The womb is closed for business.<br /><br />There is no metaphor that really works, because there is nothing that is perfectly analagous to a pregnancy. Organ donations come close, but are a little different.L.https://www.blogger.com/profile/13437332749627332216noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8395646.post-75731201432486700622010-08-01T20:03:00.430-04:002010-08-01T20:03:00.430-04:00Fair enough L., we all have choice about how we se...Fair enough L., we all have choice about how we see things.<br /><br />Like the 'Person A, Person B' thing GG. I find it irrelevant. <br /><br />And please don't start the false correlations thing, that's Kathy's forte.Ruperthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16141432408537488025noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8395646.post-1086352310656928862010-08-01T19:34:56.879-04:002010-08-01T19:34:56.879-04:00And so we're back to the idea that Person A ca...And so we're back to the idea that Person A can cause Person B to be someplace, decide she doesn't like Person B's presence, and kill Person B. Like the kidnapper saying it's okay to kill his hostage because after all, she was in the trunk of HIS car.<br /><br />And Rupert, basic human rights are NOT "instituting a theocracy". "Pick on somebody your own size" is basic kindergarden morality that can be grasped by Christians, Jews, atheists, Buddhists, Muslims, pagans, Wiccans, agnostics, ancestor worshippers, etc. You don't have to belong to any religious tradition to grasp that bigger, stronger people killing smaller, weaker people is a pretty mean spirited and nasty thing to do.Christina Duniganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04785550737493692252noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8395646.post-8453495710098208042010-08-01T19:19:55.156-04:002010-08-01T19:19:55.156-04:00Actually, Rupert, some of us DO consider fetuses t...Actually, Rupert, some of us DO consider fetuses to be babies -- not potential kids, but actual kids who are at a very early point in their development. <br /><br />I've always believed that a human embyro is a human being in an early stage. All of us started as embryos. <br /><br />For me, it's not about the definition of what an embryo is -- it's about WHERE it is, and whether a woman who doesn't want it there can remove it.L.https://www.blogger.com/profile/13437332749627332216noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8395646.post-52585747186653493892010-08-01T18:37:09.859-04:002010-08-01T18:37:09.859-04:00They're not 'kids', they're fetuse...They're not 'kids', they're fetuses - potential 'kids'.<br /><br />Your idea of a civilized society would ultimately lead to it becoming a theocracy.Ruperthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16141432408537488025noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8395646.post-66933633763074693212010-08-01T18:09:55.847-04:002010-08-01T18:09:55.847-04:00Why are mothers so special? Just because the kid i...Why are mothers so special? Just because the kid is growing inside my body, I am supposed to have some special obligation to it? Nope, sorry, I don't buy that, and never will. I don't even feel that way about my BORN children. Some of us just aren't maternal.<br /><br />I think I should be able to remove all parasites from my body, even tiny humans.L.https://www.blogger.com/profile/13437332749627332216noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8395646.post-83928498971229639692010-07-31T22:18:47.392-04:002010-07-31T22:18:47.392-04:00Rupert and OC, you're grossly mistaken if you&...Rupert and OC, you're grossly mistaken if you're trying to say that this is a civilized society. We're not. We OFF OUR KIDS. Like guppies or hamsters. We're evil. We suck.<br /><br />And L, the "wrong place at the wrong time" isn't supposed to be a capital crime. It's one thing if you catch a stray bullet because of dumb luck stepping into the middle of a drive-by. This is a matter of MOTHERS snuffing their kids because they don't want the kid to be there at this time.Christina Duniganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04785550737493692252noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8395646.post-8390639262985238402010-07-29T20:19:00.530-04:002010-07-29T20:19:00.530-04:00GG, civilized societies DO allow killing an inconv...GG, civilized societies DO allow killing an inconvenient person, if that person is located inside your body.OperationCounterstrikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11877707857942926743noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8395646.post-41328336386447330182010-07-29T18:51:17.045-04:002010-07-29T18:51:17.045-04:00Apparently they do GGApparently they do GGRuperthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16141432408537488025noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8395646.post-61080873078544229422010-07-29T08:49:00.576-04:002010-07-29T08:49:00.576-04:00No, Christina, it's killing an innocent human ...No, Christina, it's killing an innocent human being who is in the wrong place at the wrong time.<br /><br />Army Wife, I have nothing against abortifacients -- I just don't want any embryos to implant, so I didn't give a hoot how my IUD worked, as long as it was effective. <br /><br />But when I asked my doctor how they worked, he cited studies (sorry, I can't be bothered to look them up) that said that examination of the menstrual waste of women using hormonal IUDs didn't contain any products of conception -- and in fact, some of the ova found were damaged. So their primary effectiveness would appear to be messing with the sperm and the egg, before fertilization even occurred. Preventing implantation was just a (very welcome!) afterthought.<br /><br />I told him I called my IUD my "baby bug zapper," but he said it was more correctly a "sperm zapper."L.https://www.blogger.com/profile/13437332749627332216noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8395646.post-43663678104806217772010-07-28T21:47:50.495-04:002010-07-28T21:47:50.495-04:00Rupert, abortion isn't a matter of religious f...Rupert, abortion isn't a matter of religious faith. It's killing an innocent human being just because you, personally, find their existence troubling. Civilized societies don't allow that.Christina Duniganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04785550737493692252noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8395646.post-53675137417129289182010-07-28T10:15:22.107-04:002010-07-28T10:15:22.107-04:00IUD-type BC methods have been around a loooong tim...IUD-type BC methods have been around a loooong time. I read once that women in ancient times would sometimes insert small stones into the uterus to prevent bearing children... the whole point of an IUD is to prevent implantation of an already-conceived child. Only recently have hormones come into play with IUDs, and that still does not prevent them from performing their original function should the hormones fail to prevent ovulation and conception - preventing implantation. There's something about a foreign object in the uterus that inhibits implantation. IUDs will always be an abortive BC method.army_wifehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03769443501122541176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8395646.post-71592926697717930282010-07-27T23:48:12.356-04:002010-07-27T23:48:12.356-04:00Yet you expect us to listen to you on the subject ...Yet you expect us to listen to you on the subject of abortion....Ruperthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16141432408537488025noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8395646.post-73219383275894432982010-07-27T21:40:14.092-04:002010-07-27T21:40:14.092-04:00Thanks for the link, L.
And clearly you, unlike s...Thanks for the link, L.<br /><br />And clearly you, unlike some folks here, understand that a Bible-based sermon on birth control would only apply to Christians! Giving an unbeliever Scriptural counsel on anything is like giving football lessons to a hockey player. It just ain't their game.Christina Duniganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04785550737493692252noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8395646.post-59605816589234642892010-07-26T18:31:49.605-04:002010-07-26T18:31:49.605-04:00Hi John, was artificial contraception readily avai...Hi John, was artificial contraception readily available and in common use 1900 years ago?Ruperthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16141432408537488025noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8395646.post-81577494911953617842010-07-26T11:04:36.723-04:002010-07-26T11:04:36.723-04:00By what authority does Mark Driscoll's Magiste...By what authority does Mark Driscoll's Magisterium of One claim that artificial contraception is morally acceptable, contra 1900 years of consistent Christian teaching?John Jansenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08241558776415884637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8395646.post-68374073765480228822010-07-26T01:33:28.518-04:002010-07-26T01:33:28.518-04:00And unless we were godbots we would pay any heed o...And unless we were godbots we would pay any heed of Pastor Mark because....?Ruperthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16141432408537488025noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8395646.post-65419842455528356352010-07-26T01:13:25.679-04:002010-07-26T01:13:25.679-04:00Yeah, like Biola or maybe an internship at the Cre...Yeah, like Biola or maybe an internship at the Creation Museum. Maybe BioLogos could suggest somewhere for her.Ruperthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16141432408537488025noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8395646.post-78618871247733990162010-07-26T01:07:14.022-04:002010-07-26T01:07:14.022-04:00As I asked on another blog, why would someone who ...As I asked on another blog, why would someone who considered herself an outspoken Christian seek to study at an institution that is teaching as a fact something she truly believes to be false? <br /><br />Why would she instead not seek out an institution in line with what she considers her deeply-held core beliefs?L.https://www.blogger.com/profile/13437332749627332216noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8395646.post-7954278107036019592010-07-26T00:41:53.359-04:002010-07-26T00:41:53.359-04:00Yeah, that's been kicking around the blogs for...Yeah, that's been kicking around the blogs for a few days L.<br /><br />'The lawsuit argues those beliefs would not affect Keeton's ability to counsel gays and lesbians.' - yeah, right!Ruperthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16141432408537488025noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8395646.post-7131644594965279762010-07-25T22:58:08.552-04:002010-07-25T22:58:08.552-04:00Waaaaaaaait a minute.
Hormonal IUDs work by rele...Waaaaaaaait a minute. <br /><br />Hormonal IUDs work by releasing a tiny amount of progestin to thicken the cervical mucus and prevent sperm from entering.<br /><br />It is POSSIBLE that they also could make it hard for a fertilized egg to implant, because they can affect the growth of the uterine lining -- so like the pill, there is a chance they can cause what some view as an unaccepted loss of a fertlized egg, and there is controversy over whether Christian couples should use them.<br /><br />Therefore, IUDs should more properly be in murky Level 4, rather than classified as Level 5 "Abortive Murder."<br /><br />But heck, I have no qualms about any of them, so I am not going to split hairs.<br /><br />Hey Christina, have you been following this?<br />http://www.ajc.com/news/college-punished-her-for-577547.htmlL.https://www.blogger.com/profile/13437332749627332216noreply@blogger.com