tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8395646.post1895111511168516005..comments2024-03-06T19:21:15.708-05:00Comments on RealChoice: The nun that okayed the abortionChristina Duniganhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04785550737493692252noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8395646.post-26105607407506791292010-09-02T02:37:06.859-04:002010-09-02T02:37:06.859-04:00I see other translations where it does include &qu...I see other translations where it does include "to teach them this art, if they shall wish to learn it, without fee or stipulation".<br /><br />So the trained should hope to support the trainer. And the trainer should train "without fee or stipulation."<br /><br />Of course, back then they did not have building and equipment loans, advanced medicine, etc. Today's medicine and medical training is a costly endeavor. We don't train persons in any advanced field, in accredited educational institutions, without cost or compensation. Is this a failure of the Oath, or a cause of significant advances in medicine?Pathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10948739961608276881noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8395646.post-71616901290655416312010-09-02T02:15:00.096-04:002010-09-02T02:15:00.096-04:00OC says: "True Hippocratic practicioners cou...OC says: "True Hippocratic practicioners could not be Christian, because the Hippocratic Oath was sworn in the name of the Greek pagan god Apollo."<br /><br />There weren't any Christians in the 5th Century BC either, so it's somewhat of an odd statement to make.<br /><br /><br />OC says: "True Hippocratic practicioners would train the sons of other physicians for free, as the original Oath demands."<br /><br />The text actually reads:<br />"To consider dear to me, as my parents, him who taught me this art; to live in common with him and, if necessary, to share my goods with him; To look upon his children as my own brothers, to teach them this art."<br /><br />"Free training" is stated.... where? It actually states that the person who was trained should make consideration to the person that trained them. <br /><br />It actually states EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE of what you claim it states. <br /><br /><br />OC Says: "True Hippocratic practicioners would never do any kind of surgery, because the original Oath includes a pledge never to 'wield the knife', even on suffers from stone."<br /><br />The "full" text is:<br />"I will not cut for stone, even for patients in whom the disease is manifest; I will leave this operation to be performed by practitioners, specialists in this art."<br /><br />So, in effect, a general practioner would not attempt surgery on a patient when that was not his field of practice or expertise. He would refer the patient to a surgeon.<br /><br />It actually states EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE of what you claim it states. <br /><br />LOL, OC, you crack me up.Pathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10948739961608276881noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8395646.post-8905841387071772372010-05-20T16:20:08.456-04:002010-05-20T16:20:08.456-04:00RE: "Hippocratic practicioners"
There a...RE: "Hippocratic practicioners"<br /><br />There are no Hippocratic practicioners alive today.<br /><br />True Hippocratic practicioners could not be Christian, because the Hippocratic Oath was sworn in the name of the Greek pagan god Apollo.<br /><br />True Hippocratic practicioners would train the sons of other physicians for free, as the original Oath demands.<br /><br />True Hippocratic practicioners would never do any kind of surgery, because the original Oath includes a pledge never to "wield the knife", even on suffers from stone.OperationCounterstrikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11877707857942926743noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8395646.post-41443502575279039312010-05-20T09:08:50.057-04:002010-05-20T09:08:50.057-04:00I have been Googling this case compulsively since ...I have been Googling this case compulsively since I heard about it.<br /><br />I'm with the nun.L.https://www.blogger.com/profile/13437332749627332216noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8395646.post-74878078137844831792010-05-20T06:00:53.619-04:002010-05-20T06:00:53.619-04:00OC, you argue that anybody who disagrees with you ...OC, you argue that anybody who disagrees with you shouldn't be allowed to practice medicine. I argue (and HAVE argued) that what we need to do is establish clear schools of medical practice, so that patients can CHOOSE a medical practitioner that shares their world view. <br /><br />Those of us who hold to a Hippocratic, "first, do no harm" worldview can go to Hippocratic practitioners. Those of you who are Progressives can go to Progressive practitioners who will push for lots of prenatal testing and give the opportunity to abort at any sign of anything less than perfection in a fetus.<br /><br />The Amish have their own medical providers within their community, and I don't see why JWs, Christian Scientists, Hare Krisnas, etc. can't have their own medical practitioners as well.<br /><br />As for your second question -- did you even read the post? I answered that question.Christina Duniganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04785550737493692252noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8395646.post-55289672410510809782010-05-19T22:46:47.121-04:002010-05-19T22:46:47.121-04:00So Christina are you saying this woman should have...So Christina are you saying this woman should have been forced to give birth, which would likely have killed her?OperationCounterstrikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11877707857942926743noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8395646.post-17090436890862954142010-05-19T22:12:49.637-04:002010-05-19T22:12:49.637-04:00This case raises once again the question: should p...This case raises once again the question: should pious religious devotees with strange medical dogmas (such as Jehovah's Witnesses, who oppose blood transfusions, and Catholics, who oppose abortions) be allowed to practice medicine? At very least the Medical Oath (formerly Hippocratic) should be amended to include an explicit pledge never to allow any religion or religious leader to interfere with practicing good medical ethics in the patient's best interest.OperationCounterstrikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11877707857942926743noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8395646.post-55805461504842028172010-05-19T21:37:12.215-04:002010-05-19T21:37:12.215-04:00OC, we already know that you'd consider a doct...OC, we already know that you'd consider a doctor obligated to perform an abortion if during the delivery, if for some reason the mother requested it prior to the child drawing breath. The baby crowned and had a full head of hair, while mom wanted a baby with no hair like her beloved little sister; her husband farted and she just thought that ruined the moment, and if she couldn't have a perfect birth she wasn't going to have one at all; she just wanted the power trip of forcing the doctor to do it against his own personal reservations, etc.<br /><br />We're talking about under what circumstances people who recognize children as having inherent worth could okay killing one, not under what circumstances a psycho who thinks kids are vermin would justify killing one.Christina Duniganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04785550737493692252noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8395646.post-63220972912772019942010-05-17T17:50:07.266-04:002010-05-17T17:50:07.266-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.OperationCounterstrikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11877707857942926743noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8395646.post-23482963934283426092010-05-17T17:29:15.159-04:002010-05-17T17:29:15.159-04:00Only some things. Like, for instance, problem pre...Only some things. Like, for instance, problem preganancies.OperationCounterstrikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11877707857942926743noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8395646.post-72595386637870526182010-05-17T07:15:02.445-04:002010-05-17T07:15:02.445-04:00And for his next trick, OC will explain how aborti...And for his next trick, OC will explain how abortions would have saved all the pregnant women who died during the 9/11 attacks! Abortion cures EVERYTHING!Christina Duniganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04785550737493692252noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8395646.post-42258978394302045662010-05-16T22:29:15.299-04:002010-05-16T22:29:15.299-04:00RE: "Can't see how having killed the baby...RE: "Can't see how having killed the baby before or during delivery would have improved this woman's chance of survival, since killing the baby would have delayed delivery and involved additional invasive procedures. Perhaps OC can explain...."<br /><br />If the docs had done an abortion, they could have sucked out the fetus' brains (as right-to-lifers like to say) and reduced the size of the fetus' skull. Then the patient wouldn't have had to push so hard to get it out. Smaller skull equals less pushing needed, equals less stress and strain, equals patient more likely to survive.<br /><br />Next stupid question?OperationCounterstrikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11877707857942926743noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8395646.post-76912565410544245422010-05-16T19:08:39.914-04:002010-05-16T19:08:39.914-04:00I doubt any "appeal" on her part will me...I doubt any "appeal" on her part will meet with success. Catholic Church Law is pretty clear on this issue.Christinahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12834762246711795107noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8395646.post-64576964540478680002010-05-16T16:20:55.739-04:002010-05-16T16:20:55.739-04:00But she is allowed to ... what's the word? App...But she is allowed to ... what's the word? Appeal it.Christina Duniganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04785550737493692252noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8395646.post-27853610638960596642010-05-16T14:48:02.807-04:002010-05-16T14:48:02.807-04:00Her actions mean automatic excommunication.
See h...Her actions mean automatic excommunication.<br /><br />See here for more explanation:<br /><br />http://the-american-catholic.com/2010/05/15/nun-automatically-excommunicated-for-approving-abortion/Christinahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12834762246711795107noreply@blogger.com