tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8395646.post2981281566949829520..comments2024-03-06T19:21:15.708-05:00Comments on RealChoice: Nebraska "Forced to Watch Baby Die" story looks fishyChristina Duniganhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04785550737493692252noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8395646.post-37489346303261808302011-08-15T23:11:12.061-04:002011-08-15T23:11:12.061-04:00Are we even talking about the same book? Jonathan,...Are we even talking about the same book? Jonathan, the woman whose book I read had a daughter. She was royally pissed off that the doctors were screwing up plans for activites with the daughter by blowing off her demands for an abortion. And her pissed-offedness continued when the doctors insisted on treating her baby instead of just waiting for him to die. It was a hateful, loathsome book that made me want to vomit. <br /><br />And Sami, why would I want to continue reading a book in which a baby is struggling to live, and his mother keeps bitching that people won't just abandon him and let him die of neglect?<br /><br />Maybe YOU read a book about a mothr who want through a hellish experience trying to help her baby survive. That's not the book I tried to read.Christina Duniganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04785550737493692252noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8395646.post-9179632578806609302011-08-12T12:00:14.334-04:002011-08-12T12:00:14.334-04:00Granny Grump...I, too, read "The Long Dying o...Granny Grump...I, too, read "The Long Dying of Baby Andrew" (and finished it) and I do not recall seeing the word "abortion" ONCE in that book. The authors went through a Hellish experience, one that cannot be explained away by superstitious nitwits like yourself who declare that this baby must have "picked up on how much his mother hated him and just died." You clearly missed the multiple journal entries on her pumping breast milk for a vegetative fetus in hopes it would help him make it, the agony they endured in trying to get ANY information from doctors (as this was before patient and parental privilege rights) and the destruction that a selfish malevolent religious fanatic hospital placed on their marriage, finances, and lives. Shame on you.Sammihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00311868784168873635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8395646.post-37211468588988000612011-08-12T11:40:05.180-04:002011-08-12T11:40:05.180-04:00GrannyGrump. You missed the entire point of Long ...GrannyGrump. You missed the entire point of Long Dying of Baby Andrew. I guess you should have finished it. What you didn't know is that the baby was declared brain dead and the pro-life hospital decided that they could not remove the breathing tube. After the tube was finally removed, the hospital charged my parents hundreds of thousands of dollars for the cost of keeping the boy alive, when there was no change of survival. Don't be so cynical and assume that a parent is selfish just because of a traumatic event such as this one. There is a reason this book was required reading at medical schools around the country, including Harvard.Jonathan Stinsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10665129590774420852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8395646.post-68662943880687603512011-04-05T06:19:02.896-04:002011-04-05T06:19:02.896-04:00Pharm, the motive for wanting to choose abortion c...Pharm, the motive for wanting to choose abortion can range from simple ignorance (which is inexcusable in a doctor) to any of a number of nefarious motives. USING the story can likewise stem from ignorance (again inexcusable in a public policy activist) to desire to prop up LeRoy Carhart's late abortion business.<br /><br />Only God can judge the motives, but we can address all possibilities and call for less ignorance and more compassion and responsibility.Christina Duniganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04785550737493692252noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8395646.post-75083910125442458822011-04-05T05:17:47.888-04:002011-04-05T05:17:47.888-04:00The trouble is that with the ACOG telling obstetri...The trouble is that with the ACOG telling obstetrician gynecologists that they have to participate or refer for abortion is that we are left with lower and lower quality Ob-Gyns. This woman's doc apparently couldn't spell amnio-infusion, nor betamethasone. I guess they're counting on enough people to not check into the validity of the story for it to sell. My guess is that the decision to kill the kid was based on medical cost containment - or a pre-obamacare death panel. They knew that an early preemie would be expensive to care for, the mom didn't want to see the result of the decision not to treat the condition.pharmer1https://www.blogger.com/profile/17910869798932557120noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8395646.post-69108525163835997992011-03-15T09:24:22.330-04:002011-03-15T09:24:22.330-04:00I think she wanted a baby, but she wanted a HEALTH...I think she wanted a baby, but she wanted a HEALTHY baby.<br /><br />It reminds me of a book I tried to read, "The Long Dying of Baby Andrew." Like this woman, the woman who wrote the book wanted a baby, but ONLY a HEALTHY one that would fit in with her plans. When she suffered some sort of complication at about 25 weeks, she demanded an immediate abortion on the grounds that she had not PLANNED for pregnancy complications and refused outright to cope with them. The doctors instead tried to save the baby. She bitched the whole time about how they were ruining her plans.<br /><br />When she went into labor and the baby was born prematurely, she started demanding that they just let the baby die. They instead brought the baby to the NICU, where at every step the mother did everything in her power to demand that the baby be just left to die already. The baby eventually did die, I'm guessing from the title, but I couldn't read the whole thing because I was so filled with hatred for and rage against that selfish woman who was constantly harping about how she didn't WANT a baby in the NICU, how she'd asked for a DEAD baby and how totally pissed off she was at people for refusing every step of the way to just kill the wretched thing and be done with it.<br /><br />I image that at some point the baby picked up on how much his mother hated him and just died.Christina Duniganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04785550737493692252noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8395646.post-66052065207671703212011-03-15T09:10:05.553-04:002011-03-15T09:10:05.553-04:00ok, I guess I am confused. Instead of cuddling and...ok, I guess I am confused. Instead of cuddling and loving and having those memories of their baby, they would have rather killed it, been done and gone home with nothing? It seems to me she was looking for an easy out and makes me wonder if she even wanted the baby to begin with. That is very sad. And I can't believe in tis day and age that the baby could not have lived if the parents chose to have something done.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03063689745791256069noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8395646.post-33870763324361800262011-03-12T20:11:10.114-05:002011-03-12T20:11:10.114-05:00True, but her actions are not those of a woman who...True, but her actions are not those of a woman who was not given all the options by her doctor.<br /><br />She should be leading the charge against doctors who don't tell their patients that there is a possibility to save their baby. Instead, she's fighting for the "right" to kill her baby.<br /><br />Sorry, but something just doesn't add up.Laurenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01843432914495082020noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8395646.post-76484440795452762912011-03-12T18:33:44.949-05:002011-03-12T18:33:44.949-05:00Lauren, we don't know what the doctor might ha...Lauren, we don't know what the doctor might have told her.Christina Duniganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04785550737493692252noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8395646.post-931412064122144302011-03-12T17:57:45.747-05:002011-03-12T17:57:45.747-05:00This happened to me during my first pregnancy.
Th...This happened to me during my first pregnancy.<br /><br />There is SO much they can do for you after your water breaks. Everything from amniofusion to drugs to keep you from going into labor, to steroid shots to help the baby's lungs develop.<br /><br />My son was born 7 weeks after the rupture. He was very small, but he's now a healthy, happy 5 year old.<br /><br />This woman CHOSE not to fight for her child.Laurenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01843432914495082020noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8395646.post-3007924075583668692011-03-12T13:09:03.359-05:002011-03-12T13:09:03.359-05:00Obviously, that should have been "lung IMmatu...Obviously, that should have been "lung IMmaturity."Katiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06497593765013433443noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8395646.post-12318125427065055922011-03-12T13:06:10.918-05:002011-03-12T13:06:10.918-05:00Yeah...that story makes no sense. They wanted to ...Yeah...that story makes no sense. They wanted to "let nature take it's course" ...by doing a second trimester abortion? I don't mean to sound flippant, but what happened WAS nature taking its course. Her water broke, the baby was born, the baby died. The baby might have lived with medical treatment, but either the hospital has that policy of refusing care to babies born before 24/25 weeks, or the parents refused that care. I really don't see how stabbing the baby in the heart and tearing her apart limb from limb is supposed to be the more humane option. Also, they like to emphasize that the baby died due to lung maturity, yet aren't these the same people that have no problem removing vents from "braindead" babies and adults and letting them suffocate to death? Also, was any palliative care given to the baby? If they were concerned about suffering, morphine could have been used, right? I'm sincerely sorry for the family, but this story is fishy, indeed.Katiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06497593765013433443noreply@blogger.com