tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8395646.post3427902706193879976..comments2024-03-06T19:21:15.708-05:00Comments on RealChoice: Weird abortion talesChristina Duniganhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04785550737493692252noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8395646.post-59429515719656459652010-04-21T01:46:07.661-04:002010-04-21T01:46:07.661-04:00Docs are very sensitive to situations in which pat...Docs are very sensitive to situations in which patients might be afraid to tell them what they need to know. If your patient has say a drug addiction which he conceals from you but which causes a problem--say his addiction-drug messes with his blood pressure or it interacts with a drug you're prescribing to help get him ready for a special procedure or surgery or whatever--that's extremely frustrating. You tell yourself it's not your fault when the patient conceals stuff, but even so you feel angry at whatever caused him to conceal the problem. Just about every doc who has trained in USA has had some kind of exposure to something like this, some event that happened to onesself or to a friend during training which one remembers with horror, some disaster because of a patient being afraid to tell the doc what the doc needed to know. And everyone knows that every reportability law makes patients more likely to conceal stuff.<br /><br />Unlike the injunction against abortion and assisted suicide, confidentiality is still part of the doctors' professional oath (which used to be the Hippocratic Oath) and docs tend to be very defensive about confidentiality. The goal pretty much everywhere is to comply with the law in the most minimal possible way, report just barely enough to avoid getting in trouble.OperationCounterstrikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11877707857942926743noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8395646.post-69238804158124636932010-04-21T01:33:09.559-04:002010-04-21T01:33:09.559-04:00I bet you'd find if you could learn what peopl...I bet you'd find if you could learn what people hide that failure or refusal to report legally reportable situations is very common in medicine generally. My experience is most docs are very unenthusiastic about complying with reporting requirements. And I'm not talking mainly about docs who do abortions. I'm thinking mostly of ER docs, and addiction-medicine specialists, but I bet it's true everywhere in medicine except maybe pathology.OperationCounterstrikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11877707857942926743noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8395646.post-79216755504137989892010-04-20T17:13:17.652-04:002010-04-20T17:13:17.652-04:00The law takes precedence above doctor/therapist co...The law takes precedence above doctor/therapist confidentiality. if you don't have that then I really don't know - it becomes like a church that is capable of hiding horrific child abuse. Its ridiculous!Lilliputhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10793985988929869028noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8395646.post-42992387035307372712010-04-20T07:31:23.400-04:002010-04-20T07:31:23.400-04:00Leave it to an abortionist to use "medical et...Leave it to an abortionist to use "medical ethics" as an excuse for endangering patients (failure to report child abuse) and society (failure to report gunshot wounds).Christina Duniganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04785550737493692252noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8395646.post-87656297471084957642010-04-20T00:34:51.175-04:002010-04-20T00:34:51.175-04:00It's like priests, who respect the confidentia...It's like priests, who respect the confidentiality of the confession EVEN IF doing so makes them accessories after the fact to a crime. In the priest's view, the ethical requirements of his position places him above the reporting-law.<br /><br />I would like to see more priests get prosecuted for these violations, but the fact is, they'd go on committing them anyway.OperationCounterstrikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11877707857942926743noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8395646.post-52026846417298716332010-04-20T00:32:49.536-04:002010-04-20T00:32:49.536-04:00Medical ethics often require docs to break laws. ...Medical ethics often require docs to break laws. Both the confidentiality thing and other, more technical cases exist as well.<br /><br />I often used to hear surgeons say "I commit several felonies every day". That's usually what they're talking about.OperationCounterstrikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11877707857942926743noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8395646.post-26509348360366061612010-04-20T00:31:36.061-04:002010-04-20T00:31:36.061-04:00Child abuse is a special case because children are...Child abuse is a special case because children are not capable of judging their best interests. The child may SAY he wants the secret kept, but that isn't really what the child needs.<br /><br />Medical professionals may be LEGALLY required to report gunshots, but they are ETHICALLY required to respect the patient's confidentiality.OperationCounterstrikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11877707857942926743noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8395646.post-13956293169948437352010-04-19T19:56:11.596-04:002010-04-19T19:56:11.596-04:00Not true. Medical professionals are required to re...Not true. Medical professionals are required to report suspected child abuse. They're also supposed to report gunshot wounds.<br /><br />Doesn't surprise me that you try to claim otherwise.Christina Duniganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04785550737493692252noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8395646.post-37741344578725931652010-04-19T19:33:58.402-04:002010-04-19T19:33:58.402-04:00Doctor-patient confidentiality is like priest-conf...Doctor-patient confidentiality is like priest-confessor confidentiality--above the law.<br /><br />If your patient doesn't want to be reported, medical ethics require you to respect her wishes, EVEN if that means breaking the law.OperationCounterstrikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11877707857942926743noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8395646.post-64368588280895639312010-04-19T16:56:55.099-04:002010-04-19T16:56:55.099-04:00Sometimes they are sued. Generally the parents of ...Sometimes they are sued. Generally the parents of the underage girl can get a settlement if they can prove she was INJURED. I haven't seen a successful lawsuit based purely on the situation of simply being returned to her abuser for more abuse.Christina Duniganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04785550737493692252noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8395646.post-31483189069105839172010-04-19T08:57:34.326-04:002010-04-19T08:57:34.326-04:00So why aren't the abortion clinics sued - if t...So why aren't the abortion clinics sued - if there is evidence they know of abuse and they don't follow the law and report it - I'm sure a good case could be made. This will set a precadent that they have to follow?Lilliputhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10793985988929869028noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8395646.post-49113761687799602322010-04-18T00:58:14.430-04:002010-04-18T00:58:14.430-04:00Lil,
Yes, there are mandatory reporting laws for t...Lil,<br />Yes, there are mandatory reporting laws for the suspected or known abuse of minors (under the age of 18), as well as laws which requires reporting suspected or known abuse of disabled individuals and the elderly. However, Planned Parenthood staff has been caught on both audio tape and video tape numerous times violating these laws and clinic workers such as those who blog often openly admit they defy these laws. The problem is, these clinic staff feel it's their duty to protect these woman's privacy (HIPPA), despite the law requiring mandatory reporting. However, the privacy law makes an exception for suspected or known cases of abuse when reporting said abuse is mandatory in the state the clinic is in, and anyways, these clinic workers aren't doing these women any favors by giving them abortions and a pack of birth control in secret and sending them right on back to their abuser, without taking any proactive steps towards getting them help (such as appropriate referrals to domestic violence agencies, women's advocates, or by making a necessary phone call to child protective services).Ladybughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09101347971678139917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8395646.post-79624275785262521452010-04-17T20:07:56.504-04:002010-04-17T20:07:56.504-04:00Lil, yes they're supposed to report child abus...Lil, yes they're supposed to report child abuse. But I'm WAY past expecting abortion clinics to do that. One of the big beefs I have with the opposition to parental involvement laws is that the abortion lobbyists protest that this will endanger the teens that they're doing secret abortions on because the teens are being abused at home. They flat out ADMIT that they don't report the abuse, they just take the girl's money, do the abortion, and send her back for more abuse.Christina Duniganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04785550737493692252noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8395646.post-16646615688920844362010-04-17T19:32:56.423-04:002010-04-17T19:32:56.423-04:00Are there no social services in the us? Here in th...Are there no social services in the us? Here in the uk anyone that knows or suspects children of being abused has the legal responsability to inform the police. What's the system in the us?Lilliputhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10793985988929869028noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8395646.post-23911049215370602692010-04-17T19:10:13.429-04:002010-04-17T19:10:13.429-04:00She'd be better off with people who would help...She'd be better off with people who would help her to actually address her problems. But the clinic workers despise and denigrate the people who actually do that -- who actually take the time with the woman to address the domestic violence, the sexual abuse, the mental health issues, and whatever else she has going on. They congratulate themselves for having "helped" her when the just took her money and sent her back into all the problems that put her on the abortion table to begin with. <br /><br />She'll be back for another exciting (for the clinic workers) episode, bringing the abortion worker "puzzling and profound joy" along with her paycheck.<br /><br />I guess that's how abortion workers can see abortion as a victory. They get the drama played out for their entertainment, and instead of having to buy a ticket they're actually paid to be there.Christina Duniganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04785550737493692252noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8395646.post-11331859766666730612010-04-17T02:08:21.583-04:002010-04-17T02:08:21.583-04:00News flash: being raped by your male parent can ma...News flash: being raped by your male parent can make you pregnant; spending too much on the ponys does not.<br />It's against the law for those in authority to not report child abuse; it is not against the law for them not to report poker games.<br /><br />But hey! Dead baby! Everything is just so peachy.Foxfierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10161683096247890834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8395646.post-14543205100102071382010-04-17T00:00:25.677-04:002010-04-17T00:00:25.677-04:00NEWSFLASH: Abortion gets rid of your unwanted preg...NEWSFLASH: Abortion gets rid of your unwanted pregnancy. It does not cure your other problems in life. <br /><br />If you're a compulsive gambler, abortion will not cure you of that. If you're a bad driver, getting an abortion will not make you drive better. If you're fat, abortion will not make you thin. If you're a domestic-violence victim, abortion will not fix your problem (although abortion may prevent it from getting worse--it's easier to leave someone if you don't have a child with him.) <br /><br />I don't understand why Christina writes posts expressing surprise, and dismay, about this. It's a fact of life! Abortion takes care of your unwanted pregnancy, not the other problems in your life.<br /><br />You think this DV victim would be better off if Christina had been able to force her to grow her pregnancy??? If yes, you're nuts.OperationCounterstrikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11877707857942926743noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8395646.post-11608529461579819312010-04-16T21:59:58.268-04:002010-04-16T21:59:58.268-04:00On the doula, check out here.On the doula, check out <a href="http://www.ncregister.com/blog/new_service_for_pregnant_moms_the_abortion_doula/" rel="nofollow">here</a>.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8395646.post-37246360892186951232010-04-16T21:12:17.243-04:002010-04-16T21:12:17.243-04:00You know, that story depressed me, because I didn&...You know, that story depressed me, because I didn't see any realistic possibility for a happy ending. The lovely scenario you described, of her moving out, taking her siblings out of the abusive home, and forming a new little family unit -- nice. But I could more easily imagine the baby being born, and left to die in a dumpster.<br /><br />And I think the part about the woman being "beautiful, intelligent and on birth control" was not to establish correlation that one must be using the latter to be the former two, but rather to establish her as a person as a "peer," to whom the original poster related, which was the point of her disturbing post. <br /><br />(For the record, I'm butt-ugly, intelligent, and use birth control myself. :) )L.https://www.blogger.com/profile/13437332749627332216noreply@blogger.com