tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8395646.post5471831213021084022..comments2024-03-06T19:21:15.708-05:00Comments on RealChoice: Abortion and childbirthChristina Duniganhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04785550737493692252noreply@blogger.comBlogger31125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8395646.post-33750490278519232092022-04-03T09:26:03.531-04:002022-04-03T09:26:03.531-04:00I have tried to reply to Anonymous who wrote at 7:...I have tried to reply to Anonymous who wrote at 7:55am but it won’t work. Here is my reply to him/her:<br /><br />Anonymous, at 7:55am under data collection you refute the claim of the author that there is insufficient data to make comparisons. You say “ If anything, abortion is overstudied” <br />On guttmacher.org, they seem to disagree with you. <br />The state of global abortion data: an overview and call to action - July 2021<br /><br />“Data on abortion incidence is needed to examine disparities in people’s ability to safely terminate a pregnancy. “<br /><br />“Due to the difficulty in measuring abortion, we developed model-based estimates following a clear and transparent protocol.These estimates utilised all global data on the number of abortions by country by year. While these are the most comprehensive estimates currently available, our data collection and research underscored that empirical data on abortion incidence are scarce and of variable quality. To address these gaps, there is an urgent need for investing in robust abortion data collection systems and research.”<br /><br />Just curious, during Covid lockdown were you a mask wearing, social distancing, no social engagements, get the vaccine person?shybabyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09177138785163308132noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8395646.post-56753752167838366482022-04-03T09:22:22.503-04:002022-04-03T09:22:22.503-04:00Anonymous, at 7:55am under data collection you ref...Anonymous, at 7:55am under data collection you refute the claim of the author that there is insufficient data to make comparisons. You say “ If anything, abortion is overstudied” <br />On guttmacher.org, they seem to disagree with you. <br />The state of global abortion data: an overview and call to action - July 2021<br /><br />“Data on abortion incidence is needed to examine disparities in people’s ability to safely terminate a pregnancy. “<br /><br />“Due to the difficulty in measuring abortion, we developed model-based estimates following a clear and transparent protocol.These estimates utilised all global data on the number of abortions by country by year. While these are the most comprehensive estimates currently available, our data collection and research underscored that empirical data on abortion incidence are scarce and of variable quality. To address these gaps, there is an urgent need for investing in robust abortion data collection systems and research.”<br /><br />Just curious, during Covid lockdown were you a mask wearing, social distancing, no social engagements, get the vaccine person?shybabyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09177138785163308132noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8395646.post-28012843234084491522022-04-03T09:11:04.987-04:002022-04-03T09:11:04.987-04:00#2 under data collection-
On Guttmacher.org
The ...#2 under data collection- <br />On Guttmacher.org <br />The state of global abortion data: an overview and call to action - July 2021<br /><br />“Data on abortion incidence is needed to examine disparities in people’s ability to safely terminate a pregnancy. “<br /><br />“Due to the difficulty in measuring abortion, we developed model-based estimates following a clear and transparent protocol.These estimates utilised all global data on the number of abortions by country by year. While these are the most comprehensive estimates currently available, our data collection and research underscored that empirical data on abortion incidence are scarce and of variable quality. To address these gaps, there is an urgent need for investing in robust abortion data collection systems and research.”<br />They don’t seem to think abortion data is reliable or complete. <br /><br />During Covid restrictions, were you a social distancing, mask wearing, vaccine taking individual or not?shybabyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09177138785163308132noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8395646.post-23220891072000155942008-12-16T09:24:00.000-05:002008-12-16T09:24:00.000-05:00Kathy, you wrote: "this will be the last repl...Kathy, you wrote: "this will be the last reply I give to you;..."<BR/><BR/>Suit yourself, it's your brain.<BR/><BR/>"... I've spammed you on my blog for insulting my mother,"<BR/><BR/>I didn't insult her. What insults her is her own ignorance of music, which insults both her and the institution that awarded her her masters degree. I just point it out. You are killing the messenger for the content of the message.<BR/><BR/>Come on, admit it. The real reason you ban me and decline to debate is you know I'm right. <BR/><BR/>You wrote: "Taking an abortifacient medicine is killing the baby just as surely as a D&C; I might say that it isn't murder to starve you to death, because it isn't a direct action like shooting or stabbing you, but indirect action of cutting off your food supply so that you die by natural causes."<BR/><BR/>Yes I agree with you pretty much on this, that's why the distinction between killing and allowing-to-die seems so artificial to me. But some right-to-lifers, mostly Catholics, seem to take it very seriously. It's OK, they say, to cause another person to die by withholding a needed organ donation, for reasons of mere convenience, because that's letting-die. But not ok to do an abortion because that's killing. Seems like mealy-mouthed waffle to me. I'm pretty sure the guy who's dying because you keep both your kidneys isn't thinking about how grateful he is to you for not stabbing him to death.<BR/><BR/>You wrote: "Killing an innocent person -- which you rightly admit abortion to be -- is murder, not justifiable homicide. "<BR/><BR/>Two points. First of all, no it's not, not always. If someone is innocent when he comes at me with a carving knife, for instance innocent by reason of insanity, it's still justifiable homicide when I shoot them in order to avoid being stabbed. Innocent or not. Secondly, the word "innocent" literally means "not harmful" from the same root as "noxious". In this sense, the unborn are most definitely not innocent. The entire obstetrical branch of medicine exists to deal with the harm they cause. <BR/><BR/>You wrote: "It is akin to inviting someone into your home (having consensual sex, which creates the baby) and then killing them for trespassing." <BR/><BR/>Nope. Well, OK, the word "akin" can mean many things and you could argue that any pair of things or ideas are akin to each other in SOME sense. But conception followed by abortion is very different from inviting followed by killing for trespassing. When you invite someone into your home and then kill them, you have deprived them of something they had before you got involved: life. In contrast, before conception, the unborn has nothing to deprive it of. The unborn you conceive and then abort gets to enjoy a short intrauterine life, for which it should be grateful. Allowing you a short life inside my body does NOT obligate me to allow you a longer one. Just as donating blood does not obligate you to also donate the next transfusion the patient may need. Another way to say this is: when you invite someone into your home, you're implicitly promising to give him a chance to leave before killing him for trespassing. Having sex makes no such promise to the fetus. The promise you make to the fetus by having sex is: if you form in my uterus, you get to live there for as long as it takes me to find out and get you aborted. Longer only if I so choose. Take it or leave it.<BR/><BR/>Maybe it had some kind of proto-religious experience during that short intrauterine life. Maybe it clasped its little fetal hands together and prayed to Baby Jesus. Oops--can't do it--arms too short.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8395646.post-26513848434178507842008-12-16T08:42:00.000-05:002008-12-16T08:42:00.000-05:00SoMG -- this will be the last reply I give to you;...SoMG -- this will be the last reply I give to you; I've spammed you on my blog for insulting my mother, and will no longer waste my time on you.<BR/><BR/>Taking an abortifacient medicine is killing the baby just as surely as a D&C; I might say that it isn't murder to starve you to death, because it isn't a direct action like shooting or stabbing you, but indirect action of cutting off your food supply so that you die by natural causes.<BR/><BR/>Killing an innocent person -- which you rightly admit abortion to be -- is murder, not justifiable homicide. It is akin to inviting someone into your home (having consensual sex, which creates the baby) and then killing them for trespassing.<BR/><BR/>I have refrained from insulting you, although I could have done so numerous times. I have refrained, not because I did not have the capabilities of doing so, but because I have a bit of common decency. I hope you can find some.Kathyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10118292622669944944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8395646.post-67828634740153329462008-12-15T10:45:00.000-05:002008-12-15T10:45:00.000-05:00Kathy, you wrote: "Well, I'm glad to see you final...Kathy, you wrote: "Well, I'm glad to see you finally admit that what happens in an abortion is that a baby is killed."<BR/><BR/>What do you mean "finally"? I've been saying for many years, fetuses are persons, and abortions are homicides. If the abortion is done at the request of the pregnant woman it's JUSTIFIABLE homicide; otherwise it's murder.<BR/><BR/>You wrote: "I think of my two children and all the babies I have known..."<BR/><BR/>"Known" in the Biblical sense?<BR/><BR/>"..., and I imagine them dead by abortion when I see people like you promote abortion -- that they were killed legally before birth. You see, when you personalize it, and imagine the face of a person you know on the dead body of a baby that has just been ripped to pieces and sucked out of the mother's womb, it makes a difference, compared to just thinking about abortion in the abstract."<BR/><BR/>Try actually watching or assisting some procedures. You'll learn a lot more than you ever will with your feeble imagination.<BR/><BR/>You wrote: "A baby is killed."<BR/><BR/>Yep.<BR/><BR/>"... A baby dies."<BR/><BR/>Uh-huh.<BR/><BR/>"...A baby is deliberately murdered."<BR/><BR/>Nope. Killed, yes, but not murdered. <BR/><BR/>Earlier you wrote about the difference between "killing" and "allowing to die". Two points. First, you're talking about what the abortion patient is doing. I'm more interested in what YOU are doing. Which is, trying to force pregnant women to grow their pregnancies and endure childbirth against their wills. That's morally worse than anything the woman does to someone who is located inside her body.<BR/><BR/>Second, if the distinction between killing and allowing to die is so important to you, then you should be shouting prayers of thanks for abortifacient medicines, which work by attacking the placenta or utero-placental interface, not the embryo/fetus, which is ALLOWED TO DIE OF POISONING BY ITS OWN METABOLIC END-PRODUCTS when maternal life-support is stopped. No killing, just allowing to die.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8395646.post-40456835073313151362008-12-15T08:41:00.000-05:002008-12-15T08:41:00.000-05:00SoMG,Well, I'm glad to see you finally admit that ...SoMG,<BR/><BR/>Well, I'm glad to see you finally admit that what happens in an abortion is that a baby is killed. Not "the pregnancy is killed" or "the pregnancy is terminated" but that the end product of an abortion is a dead baby. I think of my two children and all the babies I have known, and I imagine them dead by abortion when I see people like you promote abortion -- that they were killed legally before birth. You see, when you personalize it, and imagine the face of a person you know on the dead body of a baby that has just been ripped to pieces and sucked out of the mother's womb, it makes a difference, compared to just thinking about abortion in the abstract. A baby is killed. A baby dies. A baby is deliberately murdered. At least we agree on that.Kathyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10118292622669944944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8395646.post-37436793179041909722008-12-15T08:28:00.000-05:002008-12-15T08:28:00.000-05:00SoMG,No, a woman gets pregnant by an act of consen...SoMG,<BR/><BR/>No, a woman gets pregnant by an act of consensual sex; abortion is the deliberate act of taking the life that was willingly (though probably mistakenly) created. There is a vast difference between the deliberate taking of a life and being unable to save a person who would otherwise die.<BR/><BR/>It's similar to standing by and seeing somebody be hit by a bus (when it may or may not have been in your power to push him out of the way), and actually pushing the person in front of the bus. The first is not an act of murder; the second is.Kathyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10118292622669944944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8395646.post-73841900552725162522008-12-14T23:20:00.000-05:002008-12-14T23:20:00.000-05:00GG, you wrote: "SoMG, you're never going to "enlig...GG, you wrote: "SoMG, you're never going to "enlighten" Kathy or me into agreeing that a dead baby is a boon to a mother."<BR/><BR/>Fortunately, I'm not trying to do that. The boon to the mother is avoiding full-term pregnancy and childbirth. The dead baby is a byproduct.<BR/><BR/>You wrote: "Do you really think words you post in a blog are enough to overcome mother love?"<BR/><BR/>I sure hope not. But you remind me of a song I learned as a kid: <BR/><BR/>"There once lived a man named Oedipus Rex;<BR/>You may have heard about his odd complex;<BR/>His name appears in Freud's index <BR/>'Cos he loved his mother.<BR/><BR/>His rivals used to say quite a bit <BR/>That as a monarch he was most unfit,<BR/>But still and all they had to admit<BR/>That he loved his mother.<BR/><BR/>He loved his mother like no other,<BR/>His daughter was his sister and his son was his brother;<BR/>One thing on which you can depend is<BR/>He sure knew who a boy's best friend is!<BR/><BR/>When he learned what he had done<BR/>He tore his eyes out one by one!<BR/>A tragic end for a loyal son who loved his mother!<BR/><BR/>So be sweet and kind to Mother, now and then have a chat<BR/>Buy her candy or some flowers or a brand new hat<BR/>But maybe you had better let it go at that<BR/>Or you may find yourself with a quite complex complex<BR/>And you might end up like Oedipus <BR/>(I'd rather marry a duck-billed platypus)<BR/>Than end up like old Oedipus Rex!"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8395646.post-11499610047507851682008-12-14T22:37:00.000-05:002008-12-14T22:37:00.000-05:00SoMG, you're never going to "enlighten" Kathy or m...SoMG, you're never going to "enlighten" Kathy or me into agreeing that a dead baby is a boon to a mother. Do you really think words you post in a blog are enough to overcome mother love?Christina Duniganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04785550737493692252noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8395646.post-19085931093293330302008-12-14T21:59:00.000-05:002008-12-14T21:59:00.000-05:00Kathy, you wrote: "Everybody understands that ther...Kathy, you wrote: "Everybody understands that there are some things one is not allowed to do even in order to save another's life."<BR/><BR/>That's great! Glad to hear it. Now all you need to understand is: forcing a pregnant woman to grow her pregnancy and endure childbirth is one of those things.<BR/><BR/>I can see your intelligence improving by leaps and bounds. You are rising like the Sun.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8395646.post-14127467740817967232008-12-14T20:30:00.000-05:002008-12-14T20:30:00.000-05:00SoMG,Everybody understands that there are some thi...SoMG,<BR/><BR/>Everybody understands that there are some things one is not allowed to do even in order to save another's life. You are stretching something easily understandable until you make it into a farce of itself -- and you are doing this willfully and then pretend you thereby nullify the original argument.Kathyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10118292622669944944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8395646.post-8035991882672646082008-12-14T16:50:00.000-05:002008-12-14T16:50:00.000-05:00Oh, and how and on whom would Hillarycare have "ma...Oh, and how and on whom would Hillarycare have "mandated abortions"? I must have missed that part.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8395646.post-73366520817552887222008-12-14T16:48:00.000-05:002008-12-14T16:48:00.000-05:00Oh, and abortion on demand is not "eugenic". Not ...Oh, and abortion on demand is not "eugenic". Not unless it's selectively provided for people with undesired heritable traits.<BR/><BR/>You are not helping the RTL movement by misusing words like that. "Genocide" is another one. It does NOT mean killing a large number of people. In fact you can commit genocide without killing anyone. Sterilize 'em.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8395646.post-87273128989273507072008-12-14T16:45:00.000-05:002008-12-14T16:45:00.000-05:00GG, I specifically said I WASN'T saying that abort...GG, I specifically said I WASN'T saying that abortion and transplants were the same or anything like that. So what did you do? You started pointing out differences. Leading me to wonder, do you READ comments before you reply to them???<BR/><BR/>Anyway, like many right-to-lifers, you harp on the "natural"ness of pregnancy (excuse me, "NATURAL"ness). Newsflash: "natural" does not mean "good for you". Cancer is natural. The surgery that cures cancer is unnnatural.<BR/><BR/>Your comments about the "abortion lobby" are silly. You might just as well say the American Heart Association exists to help cardiologists not patients. Silly. And FOCA SPECIFICALLY SAYS the right to choose non-abortion is protected. Read the text (if you can).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8395646.post-53799327380189314522008-12-14T10:33:00.000-05:002008-12-14T10:33:00.000-05:00Are you saying the government isn't gonna try to m...<I>Are you saying the government isn't gonna try to mandate abortions? We'll see. As we continue our conversion-in-process to National health care, the government acquires a greater interest in aborting problem pregnancies to save money.</I><BR/><BR/>You do have a point there that the government might try to mandate abortions. HillaryCare would have effectively mandated abortions, as well as infanticide. But you're gravely mistaken if you think that ANYTHING the abortion lobby supports would be able to provide any woman with leverage to avoid these mandated abortions. They consistently either back the party pursuing the abortion (as in when somebody is choosing abortion for an incapacitated party) or tsk-tsk about how abortions ideally are freely chosen but about how you can't mandate protections against unwanted abortions because to do so might also constitute a barrier to abortion in some way.<BR/><BR/>The abortion lobby exists to protect the interests of people who have something to gain from abortion:<BR/><BR/>* Population control advocates who wish to prevent births by any means necessary.<BR/><BR/>* Eugenecists who wish to prevent the birth of people they consider "defective" by any means necessary.<BR/><BR/>* Social engineers who wish to control the population of groups they consider undesirable. <BR/><BR/>* Abortion businesses<BR/><BR/>* Abortion advocacy groups that rely on a high abortion rate in order to maintain political viability and therefore their jobs<BR/><BR/>If we want protection from mandated or coerced abortions, the fact that a law protects a right to REJECT abortion must be very clearly and unambiguously spelled out. And FOCA does not do that. It throws a bone to "choosing birth" in an ineffectual manner that current courts would never enforce.Christina Duniganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04785550737493692252noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8395646.post-74548523099628007122008-12-14T10:23:00.000-05:002008-12-14T10:23:00.000-05:00Suppose my baby needs a kidney transplant but none...<I>Suppose my baby needs a kidney transplant but none is available. Should I take one from an unwilling donor, by force? </I><BR/><BR/>Unlike a kidney transplant, pregnancy is a NATURAL process which the woman's body participates in all without any interference from anybody.<BR/><BR/>You might just as well complain that eating disorder clinics are forcing patients to metabolize food.<BR/><BR/>Abortion is taking an action to thwart a natural biological process in order to achieve the death of an innocent human being.Christina Duniganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04785550737493692252noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8395646.post-54339664882640802612008-12-14T02:30:00.000-05:002008-12-14T02:30:00.000-05:00PS. Before you start yammering about how differen...PS. Before you start yammering about how different the transplant question is from the abortion question, and how important it is that in one case you're letting someone die and in the other case you're directly killing, or whetever else, remember I raised the transplant issue ONLY to illustrate that there are some things you're not allowed to do even in order to save a baby's life. I'm not saying the two situations are the same or that one implies anything about the other or anything like that.<BR/><BR/>What did you mean about mandating heroin use??? Are you saying the government isn't gonna try to mandate abortions? We'll see. As we continue our conversion-in-process to National health care, the government acquires a greater interest in aborting problem pregnancies to save money.<BR/><BR/>Thought for the day: Blagojevich is a Slavic name and should be pronounced "Blah-guh-YEH-vitch". Similarly, Terri Schiavo's name is Italian and should be pronounced "SKYAH-vo".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8395646.post-23877029545340634722008-12-14T01:53:00.000-05:002008-12-14T01:53:00.000-05:00Re: "Live baby good, dead baby bad"Suppose my baby...Re: "Live baby good, dead baby bad"<BR/><BR/>Suppose my baby needs a kidney transplant but none is available. Should I take one from an unwilling donor, by force? According to "LBG,DBB", yes I should.<BR/><BR/>Some things you're not allowed to do EVEN in order to save a baby's life. One of those things is forcing a pregnant woman to grow her pregnancy and endure childbirth. Sorry but that's where we draw the line.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8395646.post-71291982595080101242008-12-13T10:41:00.000-05:002008-12-13T10:41:00.000-05:00Gosh, SoMG, and I guess that the DEA is likely to ...Gosh, SoMG, and I guess that the DEA is likely to mandate heroin use next. <BR/><BR/>You remind me of my son-in-law. He's bright enough but missing key logic circuits. But as muddled as he is he can still grasp such basic ideas as "Live baby good, dead baby bad" and that people who oppose a practice are the last people on earth who would try to mandate it.Christina Duniganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04785550737493692252noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8395646.post-64309994247007230862008-12-13T10:13:00.000-05:002008-12-13T10:13:00.000-05:00SoMG,You can read my response about FOCA on my blo...SoMG,<BR/><BR/>You can read <A HREF="http://katsyfga.wordpress.com/2008/12/13/freedom-of-choice-act/" REL="nofollow">my response about FOCA</A> on my blog -- I decided it was too long to post as a comment here. You can respond to it either here or there.Kathyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10118292622669944944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8395646.post-75765865721409488822008-12-13T01:00:00.000-05:002008-12-13T01:00:00.000-05:00First of all, GG, as I understand it doing a proce...First of all, GG, as I understand it doing a procedure without consent is not as you say "assault"; it's battery.<BR/><BR/>Touching someone against their will is battery. Threatening battery is assault. <BR/><BR/>Getting back to FOCA, I'm talking about Federal protection from a possible future law requiring some pregnancies to be aborted. Like, if you give birth to this pregnancy you go to jail. I wasn't thinking so much of a criminal strapping a woman down and aborting her pregnancy against her will. (But you'll get enhanced protection from that too. FOCA states that it is US policy that you have a right to bear your child. Another charge to bring besides battery. An extra justification for higher damages in a civil suit--the defendant violated TWO Federal laws, your honor.) Without FOCA it's very easy to imagine an attempt to criminalize growing, say, a CF pregnancy or a Prader-Willi pregnancy. (I'm almost totally pro-reproductive-freedom but I would at least listen sympathetically to a proposal for requiring abortions of Prader-Willis. Or at least: if you want to grow one, you should have to fast totally (pure water and one vitamin pill per day and nothing else) for two days, then run twenty miles uphill, then continue fasting for one additional day after running, and decide at the end of that day, before eating. Because your child will feel just that hungry from about age twelve until death, no matter how much (s)he eats. Some things you're not really informed about unless you have experienced at least an approximation. Fortunately it's rare.)<BR/><BR/>Anyway, GG, your comment about case law just reinforces the need for a Federal guarantee of the right to bear your child. In other words, FOCA.<BR/><BR/>Right-to-lifers opposed FACE too, very bitterly, back in 1992-3, yapped endlessly about free speech and criminalizing Christianity and called Big Bill "The Abortion President" for signing it. Now they're grateful for its protections for churches against vandalism, blockade, theft, and terror. (Remember those pink-masked guys who invaded a church and shouted down a priest just after the election? Any Federal money to investigate that will come via FACE.) And for the reduction in anti-abortion terror which was the number-one public-relations problem for RTLs before FACE.<BR/><BR/>In the end the unborn will benefit from FOCA. Criminalizing abortion is a very poor strategy for preventing abortions AND for making each pregnancy less likely to be aborted (two different things although they overlap some). Among other defects it makes it absolutely impossible to measure its own success or non-success. Would you like to buy some land? I'll sell it to you cheap provided you don't go there or make any effort to verify it's really there. <BR/><BR/>The Ban-Abortion Movement is a scam. Killing it will free up money for something more serious.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8395646.post-12325198690721514192008-12-12T23:29:00.000-05:002008-12-12T23:29:00.000-05:00SoMG, you need to understand how case law works. T...SoMG, you need to understand how case law works. There is a lot of leeway for how laws are <I>enforced</I> and <I>interpreted</I>. Given the state of case law in the US, I've not seen a lot of evidence that the courts even recognize a right to avoid abortion. <BR/><BR/>In theory, the laws already exist to protect women from being forced or coerced into abortion. Technically performing an abortion on a woman who has revoked her consent is assault. I've seen a lot of civil cases in which the woman argued assault, but never a single case in which the facility was prosecuted for the assault. <BR/><BR/>If I'm wrong, cite some cases for me.Christina Duniganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04785550737493692252noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8395646.post-73365192143788011462008-12-12T22:02:00.000-05:002008-12-12T22:02:00.000-05:00Kathy, have you READ the text of FOCA??? EVERY se...Kathy, have you READ the text of FOCA??? EVERY sentence and clause in it which protects, or even mentions, the right to choose abortion--every single one--also explicitly protects the right to keep a pregnancy, bear a child, and be free from coerced abortion. These are NOT currently Federal or Constitutional rights, and they will be increasingly important as we move to National health care and the Government gets a stronger financial interest in aborting problem pregnancies.<BR/><BR/>Sorry for my earlier double post.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8395646.post-22768460506887627462008-12-12T21:48:00.000-05:002008-12-12T21:48:00.000-05:00SoMG -- how would that work?SoMG -- how would that work?Kathyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10118292622669944944noreply@blogger.com