tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8395646.post8329637746067067357..comments2024-03-06T19:21:15.708-05:00Comments on RealChoice: This hardly meets the "Hapless victim of a brazen fetus" testChristina Duniganhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04785550737493692252noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8395646.post-7957884235354400792011-01-11T06:04:22.392-05:002011-01-11T06:04:22.392-05:00I always call my contraceptive gel my "baby p...I always call my contraceptive gel my "baby pesticide," even though technically it's spermicide -- and I called my IUD my "baby bug-zapper," even though it was the copper kind that killed sperm.<br /><br />I would invest in any company that made something called Baby B Gone -- sounds like a winner!L.https://www.blogger.com/profile/13437332749627332216noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8395646.post-37602050366595310022011-01-10T07:57:14.723-05:002011-01-10T07:57:14.723-05:00L, contraception prevents babies from coming into ...L, contraception prevents babies from coming into existence. It's abortifacients that are "baby pesticide".<br /><br />But it's interesting to see that there are prochoicers out there who sound like an episode of South Park (which once featured OTC abortifacients called things like Baby B Gone and came in industrial-sized bottles).Christina Duniganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04785550737493692252noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8395646.post-90328997284334020602011-01-10T05:18:48.479-05:002011-01-10T05:18:48.479-05:00An "INALIENABLE NATURAL RIGHT to live in the ...An "INALIENABLE NATURAL RIGHT to live in the bodies of our mothers for nine months after they have created our existence?"<br /><br />Joe, thoughts like that make me thank God for my contraception -- my "baby pesticide."L.https://www.blogger.com/profile/13437332749627332216noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8395646.post-82083927651215424462011-01-09T14:08:41.483-05:002011-01-09T14:08:41.483-05:00Joe,
I’m confused by your comment. “Rights” are ...Joe,<br /><br />I’m confused by your comment. “Rights” are a concept from political theory and jurisprudence. There’s nothing “natural” about them, in the way you’re using the concept of natural. You’re claiming that because of human biology we have a right to life. This idea is clearly shown to be wrong by the fact that pregnancies spontaneously end. Therefore no living entity has a “right” to life – life itself is contingent and uncertain.<br /><br />ChadAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8395646.post-75755043924959784542011-01-09T13:02:29.081-05:002011-01-09T13:02:29.081-05:00I don't know why u guys are arguing about this...I don't know why u guys are arguing about this. To me its insane for a woman in 2011 to have IVF after 3 healthy children at all. If she feels those aren't enough or that she really requires a girl then much therapy or a possible adoption is the way forward. Once again I wonder of her fitness to parent any children and maybe that's nature's way of saying enough.<br /><br />I also want to say that a male rapist also enters a women temporarily but would consider it very moral and legal to terminate his life forever. Not that I would consider comparing a baby with a rapist. Similar to a burglar who enters my abode temporarily. Either way, the baby didn't act of its own volition - since it doesn't have any and can therefore not be guilty of trespassing - this is why the whole argument is pathetic. OC find another argument.<br /><br />It is also our animal mammalian nature to regulate our numbers and decide which live infant has the opportunity to live with the group or die of starvation in the forest. I wouldn't be using our inherent mammalian nature for an anti abortion argument either.Lilliputhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10793985988929869028noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8395646.post-67667791703467932252011-01-09T10:34:27.064-05:002011-01-09T10:34:27.064-05:00Absolutely wrong. The rights we have, NATURAL righ...Absolutely wrong. The rights we have, NATURAL rights, are based upon our NATURE as living beings. We are placental mammals and it is a fundamental aspect of our nature to live for nine months in the body of another. It is a necessary and intrinsic aspect of human nature, without which human existence itself is impossible.<br /><br />Therefore, it follows that we have an INALIENABLE NATURAL RIGHT to live in the bodies of our mothers for nine months after they have created our existence. Obviously, we do not have a right to live in anyone's body under any other circumstances (and that would be biologically impossible in any event). The fact that we are placental mammals settles this for all time.<br /><br />You are asserting a doctrine which would properly apply only to living beings whose biology is radically different from ours.Joehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17386646544581759402noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8395646.post-82858526448097687062011-01-09T03:22:07.188-05:002011-01-09T03:22:07.188-05:00It's very simple. The one whose body is occup...It's very simple. The one whose body is occupied is entitled to de-occupy it at will, in the way least traumatic to her, because it is her body. <br /><br />There is no such thing as a right to be alive inside another person's body. One may only be there with the body-owner's permission. This permission may be revoked at any time, because the body belongs to her.OperationCounterstrikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11877707857942926743noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8395646.post-84916524156209352152011-01-09T01:01:21.421-05:002011-01-09T01:01:21.421-05:00That doesn't explain why her claim of bodily i...That doesn't explain why her claim of bodily integrity trumps the fetus' claim of bodily integrity. She is the instigator of the conflict. The imposition upon her is of her own doing, and temporary. The imposition she seeks to inflict upon the fetus is not of the fetus' own doing, and is permanent.<br /><br />On all grounds, the woman's claim is weaker:<br /><br />1. She instigated the conflict, and is therefore the perpetrator, not the victim.<br />2. Her grievance is temporary, which she is seeking to resolve via a permanent injury to the other party.<br />3. Her relationship to the fetus -- mother -- confers upon her responsibilities that are unique to the parent/child relationship.<br /><br />You're inverting every concept of justice, by giving all rights to the aggressor, who has the least to lose and has obligations toward the intended victim.<br /><br />Again, it's akin to siding with a kidnapper who is pissed off that the hostage's presence is troublesome to him.Christina Duniganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04785550737493692252noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8395646.post-21083159954944153792011-01-08T22:43:46.060-05:002011-01-08T22:43:46.060-05:00Because the someone else is located inside the fir...Because the someone else is located inside the first person's body. That's why.OperationCounterstrikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11877707857942926743noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8395646.post-56558469778871035072011-01-08T21:41:07.897-05:002011-01-08T21:41:07.897-05:00You've never explained satisfactorily why, if ...You've never explained satisfactorily why, if bodily integrity is so important, one person's wish to avoid a temporary infringement gives her the right to inflict a permanent infringement on somebody else.Christina Duniganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04785550737493692252noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8395646.post-31288555362516044182011-01-08T17:48:05.858-05:002011-01-08T17:48:05.858-05:00It doesn't matter WHY the fetus is inside her ...It doesn't matter WHY the fetus is inside her body, nor how it got there. As long as it is inside her body, for whatever reason, she is entitled to abort it.<br /><br />That's part of the meaning of the word "your" in the phrase "your body".OperationCounterstrikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11877707857942926743noreply@blogger.com