Searches: Severson, Susan, saline, Smith, Sidney -- suicidal?

Meryl Severson is the Planned Parenthood abortionist who performed the abortion that led to a Nebraska woman needing a hysterectomy. Of course, Planned Parenthood has their defense lined up: "She kept squirming in pain, we told her to lay still, and it's not like this is her first abortion -- it's not like she's Snow White, if you get what we're saying." Yeah, PP, we hear you. Blame the victim.

Susan Hamilton was murdered by her husband, abortionist John Baxter Hamilton (pictured), in their Oklahoma home on Valentine's Day of 2001. In a bizarre coincidence, the other abortionist I know of who murdered his wife -- Joe Bills Reynolds -- was also in Oklahoma.

Saline fetus: My favorite saline abortion fetus is Gianna Jessen, who refused to die and now refuses to be silenced. About 500 babies a year survived saline abortions during the procedure's heyday in the 1970s and early 1980s. For the less fortunate fetuses, who did not survive, you can see pictures here and here. Abortion workers dubbed them "candy apple babies" because the saline ate away the outer layer of skin, leaving the baby a bright red color.

Laura Hope Smith died on the abortion table at Woman Health Center in Massachusetts this past September. Her abortionist was Rapin Osathanondh.

Sidney Laughlin is the abortionist got caught performing abortions in his bedroom and tossing the fetuses in the trash. His staff said he disinfected medical instruments in the dishwasher.

"laminaria abortion suicidal" -- Actually, no. But Nikki told Focus on the Family that Ronald Kuseski at Mayfair in Colorado threatened to have her locked up on a psych ward as "suicidal" if she refused to follow through with an abortion after they'd inserted laminaria. (Mayfair is the National Abortion Federation member where Christi Stile was left in permanently incapacitated.) Douglas A. Karpen, the man who performed the fatal abortion on Denise Montoya, once lamented at a NAF seminar about women who change their minds about the abortion after the laminaria are inserted. The prolifers outside the clinic would talk to the women and would take them to obstetricians who would remove the laminaria and help them continue the pregnancies, and the women were wanting refunds. The solution proposed was to make them sign a statement prior to inserting the laminaria promising that they would under no circumstances have the laminaria removed, that they were promising to continue with the abortion even if they changed their minds. One of Karpen's patients gave birth to a premature baby who died six months later, after Karpen inserted laminaria and refused to remove it. Another NAF member, Womancare of Detroit, told Tamia Russel and her mother that she'd die if the laminaria were removed and the abortion aborted, so to speak. Tamia trusted them, proceeded with the abortion, and died. Oh, but it's the prolife CPCs that lie to women and deny them factual information to make a choice!

Search: Harold Walba, punked by Planned Parenthood

Harold Walba is one of the people who signed the Planned Parenthood petition trying to shut down prolife pregnancy centers. Walba said "Although we often differ on political issues, I hope we are on the same side when it comes to deception of woman." Actually, Harold, you and PP are not on the same side, if you disapprove of deceiving women.

First of all, the entire petition campaign was based on a hoax orchestrated by Planned Parenthood.


Here it is, folks, the CPC in Indiana that shares a parking lot with a Planned Parenthood. Oooooh! Does it look like it's trying to look like Planned Parenthood? And look in the background on the right side of the picture. There's a blue sign. You can't quite make it out. But in the picture below, you can just make it out.



There it is -- the Planned Parenthood.



This story just unravels faster than a moth-eaten sweater. Upon further investigation, there were no reports of any such incidents with the Indianapolis police, or in Marion County courts.

It never freaking happened, people!

But people who don't realize that Planned Parenthood can't be trusted just pass on the story like chlymidia, all the while nodding like so many bobble-head dolls.

Don't they ever get tired of being lied to?

Search: Stacy Zallie

Stacy Zallie was the New Jersey college student who committed suicide after her abortion. Her family has launched the Stacy Zalie Foundation to offer support to other post-abortion women, to prevent them from taking their lives.

This, of course, has hardcore abortion fanatics gnashing their teeth. How dare a grieving family try to make "choice" look bad! How dare this grieving father point out what public health officials already know! How dare he try to prevent other women and girls from taking their lives, like his daughter did, like Arlin della Cruz did, like Sandar Kaiser did, like Carol Cunningham did, like Sandra Roe did, like Laura Grunas did, like Haley Mason did.

How dare this grieving dad note that women who have aborted are at higher risk of suicide than women who have given birth or who have not been pregnant.

How dare he let things like reality and compassion get in the way of the beauty and wonder of "choice"?

But then, these women who are attacking George Zallie are hardcore abortion advocates. If they lack compassion for their own children, how can they have compassion for any grieving parent?

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Here's one we can agree on: Give women the choice

ADF files brief in support of lay midwife facing charges for assisting Amish woman during childbirth

These midwives are trained professionals who have a better safety record than hospitals. Granted, this is in part because they refer high-risk patients to physicians, and this drives the hospital's complication and death rate up. But if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

Ectopic survival

I went looking because of a search, and found these cases:

Rare baby survives outside womb: Montreal doctor, CBC News Tuesday, August 12, 2003: Dionne Grant, a Jamaican tourist, was in Montreal when she had to go to Sacré-Coeur Hospital for an emergency c-section, performed by Dr. Robert Sabbah, head of obstetrics and gynecology. He said, "When I opened the cavity I quickly discovered that the uterus was not like it was supposed to be. As soon as I explored the abdominal cavity I noticed there were feet in the cavity just floating around. So as fast as I could I took out the baby." The placenta had attached to the top of Dionne's uterus, this providing a good blood supply to the baby.

Here is an old medical journal article, ADVANCED EXTRAUTERINE PREGNANCY, Bulletin of the Hong Kong Medical Association, vol. 22, 1970. Case 1 was a 32-year-old mother of one, in 1956. "The extrauterine pregnancy was not diagnosed until 38th week when foetal movements could clearly be seen transmitted through the thin abdominal wall." She had no other symptoms that anything was amiss with her pregnancy. An X-ray showed that the baby was oddly situated, with an abnormally curved spine. She was immediately admitted to the hospital, where a 3,430 gram baby girl was delivered. The omentum (apron of fat covering the intestines) was covering the pregnancy, which seemed to have arisen in the right fallopian tube. There were only minor adhesions within the mother's abdomen. The mother recovered well, and had a successful normal pregnancy the following year. The baby was perfectly healthy.

Case 2 was a 41-year-old mother of two, who had slight bleeding at 16 weeks, and intermittent pain for four months. She was admitted to the hospital at 27 weeks. Her pain subsided after a week of hospitalization. The fetus could be easily felt through the woman's abdominal wall, as could the empty uterus. The patient refused immediate surgery, hoping to perserve her child's life. She remained hospitalized. At 32 weeks she experienced sudden, acute abdominal pain. She was delivered of a 2,010 gram infant. The placenta had attached to the back wall of her pelvic cavity and the right broad ligament. The sac, placenta, and right fallopian tube and ovary were removed, with minimal blood loss. the mother recovered well. The baby had some facial asymmetry due to the unusual pressures placed on her from being gestated outside the womb.

Case 3
was a 33-year-old mother of four, admitted to the hospital at 36 1/2 weeks because of recurring abdominal pain. The fetus was in breach presentation, but attempts to turn the baby by maniuplating it through the abdominal wall were unsuccessful. An X-ray revealed that the baby was lying transversely. The doctors decided to perform a c-section, whereupon they learned that the baby was actually behind the mother's uterus.The baby weighed 2,920 grams. The placenta had attached to the back of the mother's reproductive organs, which were removed. The mother recovered well and the baby was healthy.

Case 4 wasa 43-year-old mother of 8 who had been having abdominal pain since 12 weeks, and was admitted to the hospital at 26 weeks. Her uterus was displaced by the fetus, which was in her abdomen. Two days after she was admitted, she experienced sudden acute abdominal pain, so doctors performed surgery to remove the baby, a girl weighing 1,040 grams. Blood loss was minimal. The mother recovered well, and the baby had no problems other than prematurity. Sadly, she developed a respiratory infection and died at age 34 days.

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Three typical criminal abortion deaths

On November 30, 1874, Mrs. Mary Dix died at her Chicago home from complications of a criminal abortion performed there. Dr. W. F. Aiken was arrested and charged with murder.

On November 30, 1936, 34-year-old Sophie Peterson died at Chicaog's Mercy Hospital from complications of an abortion performed October 27 in the Chicago office of Dr. Frederick Springe. Springe was indicted for felony murder by a grand jury on December 15.

On November 30, 1927, 22-year-old Lucille van Iderstine died in the Chicago office of Dr. Emil Gleitsman, from an abortion that had been performed on her that day. Gleitsman was indicted for felony murder in Lucille's death on January 15, 1928.

All three of these fatal abortions were typical of illegal abortions in that they were performed by physicians.



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Search: Geri Santoro

Geri Santoro is literally the poster child for legal abortion advocacy. A photo of her, naked on the motel room floor where her married lover left her to die, is circulated by those who claim that legalizing abortion had put an end to such tragedies. Guess again.

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Are these the same guy?

I re-read my post about the guy who slipped his girlfriend two abortion mickeys. His name? Manishkumar Patel. I thought the name looked familiar. I found this in my files:

PATEL, Dr. Nareshkumar Gandalal. I can see somebody getting the name wrong. Especially if they were trying to read somebody else's handwriting.

Suit by Lakisha M. alleged: abortion by Patel June 16, 1994; "typically two medical instruments would be implanted one day prior to an abortion being performed, but ... Defendant decided he would do the abortion that same day" because the pregnancy was further advanced than originally believed; discharged, advised to return in 2 weeks; pain, blood loss, loss of hearing, expelling fetal tissues; lack of informed consent; required additional D&C; Patel denied injury to Lakisha. (Oklahoma County District Court Case No. CJ 94 5938-65)

Article says Patel was reprimanded by medical licensing board for perforating uterus during abortion. (USA Today 4-17-92, The Daily Oklahoman 5-28-93, Dallas Morning News 6-11-93; 1463 - The Sunday Oklahoman 7-5-92)

Articles say Patel admitted to dumping and attempting to burn at least 60 fetuses described by medical examiner as "in various states of dismemberment...and preservation" in a field.(Medical Board Case No. 87-7-514; USA Today 4-16-92, 4-17-92, The Daily Oklahoman 5-28-93, Dallas Morning News 6-11-93; The Sunday Oklahoman 7-5-92)

Reprimanded by medical board of Oklahoma for abandoning patient E.S.B. June 10. 1989 after surgical procedure in order to take friend to airport; "left patient in post-operative condition in the treatment room under anesthesia, and the patient's blood pressure dropped and the patient required emergency medical treatment." (Medical Board Case No. 87-7-514)

Reprimanded by Okalahoma medical board in 1989 for failure to comply with regulations regarding prescribing and monitoring controlled substances. (Medical Board Case No. 87-7-514)

Articles state Patel settled out-of-court in case alleging his transfer of woman in labor caused death of infant. (USA Today 4-17-92, The Daily Oklahoman 5-28-93, Dallas Morning News 6-11-93; The Sunday Oklahoman 7-5-92)

Article states patient Ashley T. accused Patel of asking her to meet with him to discuss her mental condition following abortion, then tried to grab and kiss her. Faced criminal charges, oral sodomy and sexual battery, for allegedly trying to kiss and fondle an abortion patient who was nude and sedated on an examining table March 25, 1993; she awoke from anesthesia to find him attempting "to force her to sodomize him;" she said he then drove her home and called several times "to determine if she remembered anything about the incident;" she taped the conversations; police siezed her medical records, found folded on Patel's desk rather than in her chart. (USA Today 4-17-92, The Daily Oklahoman 5-28-93, Dallas Morning News 6-11-93; Daily Oklahoman 5-28-93)

Article says Patel was ordered in 1989 to pay damages of $240,000 to 15-year old girl injured in abortion attempt.(USA Today 4-17-92, The Daily Oklahoman 5-28-93, Dallas Morning News 6-11-93; Daily Oklahoman 5-28-93)

Article says two female employees complained of unwelcome sexual advances, sexual harassment. (USA Today 4-17-92, The Daily Oklahoman 5-28-93, Dallas Morning News 6-11-93)

Reprimanded by Ohio board 1992 due to action taken in Oklahoma. (QD)

Granted, the abortion mickey Patel was in Wisconsin, and the abortion-botching, fetus-dumping, obstetric-malpracticing, pervy abortionist was in Oklahoma, but it's a free country. He's allowed to move around.

Can anybody in Wisconsin look into this?

Searches: Nasty, EMW, Womancare, and how it's done

EMW abortion clinic in Louisville, Kentucky: Here is info on a lawsuit filed against them on behalf on an underage girl that they performed an abortion on against her mother's express wishes, against medical advice, and against a restraining order -- resulting in the girl being hospitalized for sepsis. Their security guard got caught raping women on the premises after hours. And of course, EMW is a member of the National Abortion Federation.

Another search for "nasty abortion". As compared to nice ones? How about these cases: Jammie Garcia drowned in her own feculent fluids because her abortionist had shoved her fetus into her bowl and left it there to block things up; Carolina Gutierrez (pictured) endured the amputation of her gangrenous limbs in a futile attempt to save her from abortion-related sepsis; Lawson Akpolonu was raping patients in his filthy clinic -- something Diane Sawyer considered "a non-story" when we tipped her off; abortionist James Park's method of disposing of late-term fetuses -- running them through a meat grinder -- was enough to make fellow abortionist Curts Stover lose his lunch. There are these guys -- they're pretty nasty, with the one guy doing abortions at home and tossing the mangled fetuses in the trash and so forth. We have some guys dumping fetuses down the garbage disposal. Then there's this place, where employees complained to the state that their boss was eating the fetuses. What happened to this woman during her safe and legal abortion is pretty nasty. Keep coming, I've got more.

Womancare. There are these guys in Detroit; that's where 15-year-old Tamia Russell (pictured) died after an illegal third-trimester abortion performed after she'd changed her mind. Chivon Willams also died after an abortion there. And they're a National Abortion Federation member facility, of course! Then there's the California Womancare that employed Phillip Rand, who aborted wanted babies as well as unwanted ones.

How do doctors kill a baby in an abortion? They suck them out through a tube, or they pull them apart with forceps, or they give the mother drugs that cut off the baby's blood supply, or they stick a needle in its heart or brain and give a lethal injection, or they drag it out feet-first then stab it in the skull and suck its brains out.

Planned Parenthood: always ready with an excuse

Defendants deny malpractice in abortion suit

Planned Parenthood's defense in a malpractice case, in which a woman ended up losing 4 litres of blood and needing a hysterectomy:

1. Hey, she knew there might be complications. (Yeah -- and every drunk driver could say, "Hey, when you get on the road you know you might be in a wreck.")

2. It's her fault for not staying still. (How about you provide adequate pain medication? I'd like to see their lawyer lie perfectly still while somebody shoves sharp things into his private parts and roots around.)

3. This was her SECOND abortion! (Popularly known as the "slut defense" -- saying that she was some sort of skanky ho who desrved what happened to her. A deplorable strategy typically used by rapists. And abortionists.)

That said -- Yes, a perforated uterus is a known complication. Which is why the physician should be prepared to treat it before it becomes life-threatening and leads to a hysterectomy.

HT: JJ

Man slips girlfriend abortion mickeys

Married man accused of slipping abortion drug to girlfriend

A married man accused of slipping an abortion drug to his pregnant girlfriend is expected in Outagamie County Circuit Court today.

Sheriff's investigators say the man has admitted giving RU-486 to the woman without her knowledge by putting it in something she consumed.

Captain Michael Jobe (JOHB) says the woman became suspicious in September after her second miscarriage in less than a year. So, she sent some of her blood to a California lab, which confirmed the presence of the abortion drug.

She then filed for a restraining order against the 34-year-old man and went to sheriff's investigators.

Sheriff's officials say charges against Manishkumar Patel could include attempted first-degree intentional homicide of an unborn child, burglary, stalking and violating a restraining order. But prosecutors won't say what charges they intend to file.

The prolifers will all probably be unified on this one: The guy needs to get prosecuted on two counts of homicide. I imagine the prochoicers will be split -- ranging from "In her mind it was a baby, so it's homicide" (the smallest group) to "He gave her a drug without her consent. It's assault. Treat it like slipping somebody any other mickey" (the biggest group).

And gee, thanks, abortion lobby, for all your hard work to bring abortion drugs to this country and make this possible.

Here's one more thought: How do we prevent this sort of thing? I'd say that we need to have tight control on these drugs, and anybody who dispenses them to anybody other than a woman who has requested them and gone through screening and informed consent needs to be charged as an accomplice in the homicide of the unborn baby.

If "choice" is about the woman's right to decide if it's a baby or a blob, then she ought to have the right to have the rat-bastard who kills her baby against her wishes locked up and the key thrown away.

HT: JJ

Searches: phony docs, perforated bowel, and more

"how do women abort their baby with coat hanger" -- By and large, they didn't. About 90+ percent of them found a doctor to do the abortion, either under a loophole in the law, by using a ruse such as passing it off as some other surgery, or illegally. About 8 percent found a midwife or other person with medical training, who typically was trained in abortion by a physician and had a physician for back-up or to provide medications. About 2 percent resorted to people with no medical training, which could anything from a rank amateur with no abortion experience to the Jane collective in Chicago which was trained by physicians and had backup physicians to provide care for complications. The famed "coathanger abortion" was rare, and more typical of women with mental health problems.

Davina Chambers is the British woman found herself staring at the face of her aborted baby, which she had passed into the toilet. This is not unheard of in the US.

Vanessa Preston was the 22-year old preacher's wife who bled to death due to disseminated intravascular coagulopathy triggered by an abortion performed by Curtis Boyd at Fairmount, a National Abortion Federation member clinic in Dallas, Texas.

Perforated bowel. A National Abortion Federation abortionist describes his "cross your fingers" method for dealing with bowel perforations. Then there was this case in Michigan, involving an illegal 28-week abortion performed by Dr. Jose Gilberto Higuera. Steve Brigham perforated a woman's bowel during an abortion performed in his New York office. Marcia L. suffered a perforated bowel during an abortion performed by Phillip Rand. Fatal, during an abortion: Moris Helen Herron and Sharon Hamptlon (pictured, with son Curtis) in California, Ellen Williams in Florida, Julie Roe in New York, Sharon Davis in New Mexico, and Jammie Garcia in Texas, off the top of my head.

"pretending to be doctor illegal" Alicia Hanna was passing herself off as a doctor when she performed the fatal abortion on Angela Sanchez. Barbara Lofton was passing herself off as a doctor at Maryland's notorious Hillview abortion mill, where Suzanne Logan and Debra Gray underwent their fatal abortions -- performed, ironically, by Gideon Kioko, who actually was a physician. I know there are other cases but my brain is fried at the moment from doing report cards at work, so I can't remember any of them.

Kieron Nisbet was one of the unlicensed people busted for illegally performing abortions at A Gyn of Miramar, Inc., an abortion clinic located in Miramar, Florida, now known as Miramar Women’s Center.

Anniversary: Illegal abortion death, perpetrator unknown

Seventeen-year-old Miss Dorothy Jasinski was brought to St. Mary's Hospital in Chicago by two unidentified women on November 17, 1930. Dorothy was treated there until her death on November 29. The coroner determined that Dorothy had died from an abortion performed in Michigan City, Indiana, the day she'd been brought to the hospital. The coroner recommended identification of the person or persons responsible, and his or their arrest on charges of murder.



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Searches: saline, seth, quackery, and death

Jennifer Vickery, age 26, is one of the women who stepped forward afer news broke of a woman who nearly died when a nurse at Summit Medical Center of Alabama tried to abort her term pregnancy with a dose of RU-486. When Jennifer learned of the woman's case, "I was scared for my life. I was at a loss for words. It was crazy." At the time, Jennifer was running a fever after complications of a surgical abortion she'd undergone at Summit on May 4. She had a follow-up appointment scheduled. Should she keep it? But the clinic was shut down. Jennifer said that she'd been rushed into the abortion. An ultrasound had been performed, and she was told she was 8 weeks pregnant. "They rushed me back so quick and started giving me medication, and I didn't have time to think about it. I didn't feel like I had time to think about nothing. When I got there, they had me start filling out papers. They said, `We want you to do it today, because we have a doctor here.'" Summit is the National Abortion Federation member clinic where Malachy Dehenre (pictured) performed the fatal abortion on Leigh Ann Alford.

Saline abortions. The dead in America began piling up in New York and California even before Roe. Saline and other instillation abortions continued to kill women after Roe, but fell out of favor in the late 1980s due to the dreaded complication: live births.

Emmanuel Brandeis managed to screw up an IV for an abortion, resulting in the woman's fingers going gangrenous and having to be amputated. He also aborted at San Vicente Hospital, a notorious abortion mill that was bought out by National Abortion Federation member Family Planning Associates Medical Group.

Douglas Karpen is the Texas abortionist who performed the fatal abortion on 16-year-old Denise Montoya at Women's Pavillion in Houston, a National Abortion Federation member clinic. He was also sued for refusing to remove the laminaria after a 16-year-old patient had changed her mind about the abortion, resulting in the premature birth and subsequent death of an infant girl.

Andre Nehorayoff is the New Jersey abortionist responsible for, among other quackery, the deaths of "Ellen" Roe and "Faye" Roe. He also practiced in New York.

Seth Gilbertson is one of the people who signed a Planned Parenthood petition trying to shut down CPCs. Seth said, "Every woman should have the ability to recieve balanced information so they can make their own decisions." Like when Planned Parenthood told my babysitter that her 8-week fetus was "just like a blood clot"? Like the way Planned Parentood told Cristi Stile they were referring her to a "safe" facility, and they sent her to one with no crash cart? Cristi has been incapacitated since that ever so safe abortion. How about the way PP endangered the lives of women with their lies that the anesthesia given to the mother in a late-term abortion kills the fetus? Obstetricians were faced with sick moms who didn't want to consent to desperately-needed surgery because PP's lies convinced them that they would be endangering their loved and wanted babies. How about the lies PP told you to get you to sign the petition in the first place? Get smart, Seth. You've been punked by PP.

Fatalities from illegal abortion: After Roe. Performed by amateurs (the rarest type). Performed by midwives and other paramedical folks (more common). Performed by doctors (the most common kind).

As for "ethical considerations for physicians with ru-486"? How about this: Don't kill babies. Pretty simple, isn't it?

Search: Bleeding to death

Bleeding to death from a nice, safe, legal abortion shouldn't happen, in theory. The modern legal abortionist has everything at his disposal to detect bleeding, correct the causes of bleeding, and treat the blood loss.

Then why are these women dead?

Eurice Agbagaa * NY * 1989
Mickey Apodaca * TX * 1984
Leigh Ann Alford * AL * 2003
Gloria Aponte * CT * 1986
Jacqueline Bailey * CA * 1977
Junette Barnes * TX * 1988
Myrta Baptiste * FL * 1982
Cassandra Bleavins * CA * 1971
Belinda Byrd * CA * 1987
Teresa Causey * GA * 1988
Sandra Chmiel * IL * 1975
Pamela Colson * FL * 1994
Liliana Cortez * CA * 1986
Mary Ann Dancy * NC * 1990
Barbaralee Davis * IL * 1977
Glenda Davis * TX * 1989
Synthia Dennard * IL * 1989
Anjelica Duarte * NV * 1991
Evelyn Dudley * IL * 1973
Gladyss Estanislao * MD * 1989
Linda Fondren * IL * 1974
Kathleen Gilbert * IL * 1985
Maria Gomez * CA * 1976
Shary Graham * TX * 1982
Doris Grant * CA * 1971
Sharon Hamptlon * CA * 1996
Lou Ann Herron * AZ * 1998
Louchrisser Jackson * TX * 1977
Sandra Milton * OH * 1990
Ruth Montero * FL * 1979
Sylvia Moore * IL * 1986
Dorothy Muzorewa * IL * 1974
Guadalupe Negron * NY * 1993
Shirley Payne * FL * 1983
Mary Pena * CA * 1984
Magdalena Rodriguez * CA * 1994
"Mary" Roe * CA * c.1971
"Nadine" Roe * CA * c.1978
Carole Schaner * NY * 1971
Margaret Smith * NY * 1971
Jennifer Suddeth * CA * 1982
Cheryl Tubbs * CA * 1975

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Graphic BBC programme shows what abortion is

Warning: Very graphic and not for the squeamish:


What I find amazing is that in spite of presenting what abortion really is, showing very vividly what it really does to very real fetuses, the narrator speaks as if this hideous destruction is somehow really necessary.

HT: Stop the ACLU Coalition

And then there's this fellow's stunned response. He invites debate:



I have more abortion videos gathered here.

Search: "colorado christi mayfair abortion lawsuit"

They're probably looking for information on Christi Stile.

Christi Stile was only 17 when she came home from roller skating with a friend. She looked shaken and distressed, but when her parents asked her what was wrong, she said that she had just had harsh words with somebody and didn't want to talk about it. Kay and Fred Stile gave the incident no more thought for a long, long time.

Four months later, Christi came to her mother and said that she was pregnant. She was crying, saying that she just couldn't have this baby; it would kill her. In retrospect, Kay said that this is what one should expect from a 17-year-old girl. But at the time, although Fred and Kay disapproved of abortion, Kay agreed to drive Christi to her abortion appointment at Aurora's Mayfair Women's Center, a National Abortion Federation member clinic.



To make a sad situation even sadder, the abortion was scheduled July 1, 1993: the day after Christi's 18th birthday.



Even though they'd been referred to Mayfair by a Planned Parenthood, Kay and Christi were nervous. Was abortion really safe? Kay went with Christi for the informed consent session and asked about safety. She was reassured that the only risk was of heavy bleeding, and that the clinic had everything on hand to deal with that situation should it arise. Kay felt reassured.

Kay stayed in the waiting area as Christi went back for her abortion. Suddenly, the demeanor of the staff changed. There was something wrong, Kay was sure. She was also sure that Christi was the patient who was in some sort of trouble. Kay questioned a staffer, who told her that Christi had experienced a minor complication and that she was being taken to the hospital for observation. Purely routine -- she would be discharged tomorrow. There was no cause for alarm, Kay was assured. Christi was fine; they were just being cautious.

Kay rushed to the hospital in a near panic. When she was arrived, staff told her that she couldn't see Christi until she calmed herself. Steeling her nerve, Kay steadied herself and was led to a patient's bedside.

The girl in the bed was unconscious, stuck full of tubes. Her face was swollen and distorted.

"That's not my daughter," Kay told them. But a nurse handed her a plastic bag containing Christi's jewelry. The girl in the bed was Christi.

Kay had to do the hardest thing she'd ever done in her life: call her husband and tell him he didn't have his daughter any more. She was alive, but she was no longer the same Christi.

Fred and Kay later learned what had happened at Mayfair. Abortionist Ronald Kuseski, not an anesthesiologist, had administered sedatives to Christi through her IV. After the abortion, he looked up to find Christi pale, with bluish lips, and no pulse or respiration. Her heart had stopped. Paramedics were summoned, who managed to restore Christi's pulse and respiration before rushing her to the hospital.

The clinic had no record of Christi's vital signs being recorded during the abortion. Although Kuseski's attorney insisted that the clinic had a "crash cart" to deal with cardiorespiratory arrest, Kay says that Kuseski had told her that the clinic had no "crash cart." The medical board investigation found that Kuseski didn't have pulse oximetery equipment in place for Christi's abortion. Kuseski denied any misconduct during Christi's abortion. The Medical Board sent him a "Letter of Admonition" telling him to adhere to "Anesthesia Monitoring Guidelines" in the future, and to attend CPR and Advanced Cardiac Life Support training.

Perhaps out of concern that Fred and Kay might blame Christi's boyfriend for what had happened to her, Christi's friend told them what had really happened the night she and Christi had gone skating. Christi had been so upset not because she'd had a tiff with a friend, but because an acquaintance had raped her behind the rink.

Standing at Christi's bedside during the filming of Christi's Choice, a documentary video about the family's ordeal, Fred Stile commented that had Christi had her baby instead of having the abortion, he'd be changing diapers on his grandchild instead of on his incapacitated daughter. The baby, of course, would have long since been out of diapers by the time the video was released. And by now, Christi would be a young mother attending school conferences. Having the baby wouldn't have ended Christi's life. Having the abortion effectively did.

As of the release of Christi's Choice, the Stile family had amassed over $250,000 in medical bills. Christi remains in a vegetative state, cared for by her parents. She is not expected to recover.

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Searches: perforations, Showery, and another person punked by PP

Molly Heidemann is one of the folks who got punked by the Planned Parenthood hoax and signed the Planned Parenthood petition to shut down CPCs and instead just funnel women into abortion mills. Molly said, "Women have the right to accurate information!" Absolutely, Molly. Which is why they should go to CPCs and not to Planned Parenthood.

Perforated uterus? I have too many cases to list here. Go to the main RealChoice site and do a search. You'll find both fatal cases and cases in which the woman survived.

Dr. Showery. Well, I have Raymond Showery, the guy who let Mickey Apodaca bleed to death while he was out on bail appealing a murder conviction.

Death by perforated bowel. During an abortion: Moris Helen Herron and Sharon Hamptlon in California, Ellen Williams in Florida, Julie Roe in New York, Sharon Davis in New Mexico, and Jammie Garcia in Texas, off the top of my head.

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Roundup: Stem cells, a convert, the raids in Spain, etc.

Science Trumps Politics. On why embryonic stem cell proponents are being so aloof about the announcement by one of their own that you don't need to create and kill embryos after all: "Their muted reaction to the latest development suggests that for some of them what was so exciting about stem-cell research wasn’t the far-off potential therapeutic applications, but the chance to portray pro-lifers as standing in the way of life-enhancing scientific discoveries." Bingo! (HT: JJ)

James Lileks pithily sums up the altruistic misanthrope who snuffed her fetus to save the planet. (HT: The Point)

Mom's live-in boyfriend is the most likely person to harm her kids. (HT: Jill Stanek) The recent horriffic news about how "Baby Grace" suffered and died brings this home yet again. By and large it's boyfriends, not husbands, pushing women into abortion clinics. Boyfriends, not husbands, battering and abusing and killing kids that make it out of the womb in one piece. Boyfriends, not husbands, are more likely to abuse the woman herself. If he's not willing to sign up for the long haul, he's not worth your time. And he's certianly not worth risking your well being, your life, and your kids for.

An embryologist points out to the LA Times that there's no such thing as human "fertilized eggs". Only egg-laying creatures such as birds and lizards produce fertilized eggs -- and even those eggs have embryos within them.

I'll provide an obligatory link to coverage of the raids on the illegal late-term abortion mills in Barcelona. If only they'd start doing this in Kansas, where Tiller is aborting anybody who calls and has the cash. We can dream, can't we?

'Bella' receives critical acclaim while literally saving lives. (HT: Catholic Fire) "It's been amazing," lead actor Eduardo Verastegui told an audience in Nashville, Tenn., Nov. 17. "We've received so many e-mails and letters from young ladies who just days before were scheduled to have an appointment to have an abortion and after they saw 'Bella' they kept their baby."

On Thursday, Karen Shablin will be speaking at the University of Pittsburgh. Shablin is a former NARAL member who has been there, done that, and burned the t-shirt.

Abortion: Public health miracle?

Abortion: The Public Health Miracle?

In 1999, the Centers for Disease Control released "Achievements in Public Health, 1900-1999: Healthier Mothers and Babies." This report is a study in what public health efforts can achieve, but also serves as a great example of how statistics can be misused to further the pro-abortion agenda.

The good news is that in the 20th century, maternal and infant mortality fell over 90%. Aseptic techniques of delivery, antibiotics, vaccinations, sanitation, and other progress in medicine and public health deserve due credit for this. It's stunning to reflect on how risky pregnancy was for mothers 100 years ago -- or even 50 years ago. It's doubly stunning to reflect on how the simplest things -- like placing babies on their backs instead of their stomachs to sleep -- can make such a profound difference in saving lives.

The bad news is that our public health officials are so enamored of abortion that they attempt to attiribute better public health to legalization of their favored activity:

"The legalization of induced abortion beginning in the 1960s
contributed to an 89% decline in deaths from septic illegal
abortions (15) during 1950-1973."

It's disengenuous, to say the least, to credit a few states loosening abortion restrictions starting in 1968 with the huge decline in septic illegal abortion deaths during the nearly twenty year period preceeding the change. Abortion guru Christopher Tietze attributed the decline in abortion deaths during that period to improved abortion techniques (especially the development of vacuum aspiration), improved emergency care (including improved antibiotic and blood transfusion therapy), and a contraceptive-driven drop in unwanted pregnancies. If someone with Tietze's enthusiasm for abortion hesitated to lay this public health achievement on abortion's doorstep, one must wonder what is going on inside the heads of those folks at the CDC.

Of all the public health accomplishments from 1950 to 1973 -- improved neonatal intensive care, improved antibiotics, improved access to blood products, broader access to adequate prenatal care, and improvements in environmental health, to name a few -- our public health employees at the CDC single out limited legalization of abortion as responsible for reducing maternal mortality.

And now that we're on the topic of maternal mortality, let's address that old line, as familiar as, "What's a nice girl like you doing in a place like this?" Let's address the familiar abortion advocates' claim that criminal abortions were killing 5,000 - 10,000 American women a year prior to legalization, and the accompanying claim that legalization has all but abolished maternal mortality from abortion.

Let's take a peek at the National Center for Health Statistics' chart on abortion mortality in the second half of the 20th century.

Consider that the first state legalized abortion under limited circumstances in 1966. Straggling states followed suit in 1968. The first laws allowing abortion on demand went into effect in 1970. Roe v. Wade, the Supreme Court decision wiping out virtually every US law against abortion, was in 1973. Go back and peek at that chart again.

Do you see any dramatic drop in maternal deaths during that period? Do you see a shred of evidence that 5,000 to 10,000 women were dying from abortion in any year before 1970?

To find more than 1,000 women dying a year from abortions (and this includes miscarriages and legal abortions performed on moribund women in attempts to save their lives), you have to go back to WWII - before antibiotics were available to treat abortion-related infection. Sanitation, improved nutrition, aseptic procedures, and so on, were already lowering maternal mortality. The advent of antibiotics sent abortion deaths in particular plummeting toward an irreducable minimum. (Given that all surgery has risks, some women will die no matter how careful and skilled the doctors are, so abortion deaths can only be eliminated by eliminating abortion.)

So, legalization of abortion wasn't a public health miracle preventing 5,000 to 10,000 maternal deaths a year. It did prevent SOME deaths, right? Guess again. The CDC's intensive abortion mortality surveillance in the early 1970's showed a reversal in the downward trend. The reduction in illegal abortion deaths was being more than offset by an increase in legal abortion deaths. The prochoice response was not to address the problem. Instead, the CDC dismantled their aggressive mortality surveillance and instead just counted deaths that were voluntarily reported to them. It's no great surprise that the number of reported deaths went down -- they were no longer looking for deaths to report.

We don't know how many women die now from legal abortions. The last reliable information we got was in the early 1970's, and it showed deaths rising annually. Since then we've seen nothing but trash statistics. However, one researcher did his best to replicate the old CDC abortion mortality surveillance. Kevin Sherlock did a search for abortion deaths during the 1980's, and found that indeed, there are a lot of deaths the CDC's abortion mortality surveillance was missing. How many? We don't know.

Searches

Belinda Byrd had an abortion performed by Stephen Pine at Inglewood Women's Hospital in Los Angeles, California. Belinda was left unattended for three hours after the abortion, and was found unresponsive. Staff at Inglewood delayed an additional two hours before transferring her to a hospital with appropriate emergency services. Belinda was one of 74 women who ad abortions in Inglewood's single operating room that day, and one of 24 whose abortions were performed in the final two hours of the day. Belinda remained comatose until her death on January 27, 1987.

Prochoice Christians? I've met a few, but frankly it strikes me as an oxymoron

Dave Barry's Holday Gift Guide is out!

And there was much rejoicing!

I particularly loved the illustration for the last gift.

Two kinds of miracles

Miracle #1: People given up as hopeless after severe brain injuries are returning to their families.

Miracle #2: The MSM covering it.

Awakenings: Return To Life. Must see video, with full text as well.

HT: Secondhand Smoke

Anniversary: Woman bleeds to death after safe, legal abortion in Alabama

Leigh Ann Stephens Alford, age 34, underwent an abortion at the hands of Dr. Malachy DeHenre at Summit Medical Center of Alabama, a National Abortion Federation member clinic, on November 25, 2003.



Leigh Ann was discharged from the clinic 20 minutes after her abortion, according to a lawsuit filed by her husband. Within six hours, he said, he called the facility to report that Leigh Ann was suffering pain and fever. She died about 18 hours after the clinic had sent her home. Death was attributed to hemorrhagic shock from an unrecognized uterine perforation.

DeHenre‘s medical license was suspended in Mississippi and Alabama after the death. DeHenre, age 53, also performed abortions at New Woman Medical Center in Jackson, Mississippi, as well as his own Jackson‘s Women's Health Organization.

Alabama suspended DeHenre‘s license as of July 28. The Mississippi suspension was expedited, rather than addressed in a board meeting scheduled for September 16. An Associated Press article quotes Dr. W. Joseph Burnett, executive director of the Mississippi Board of Medical Licensure: "We couldn‘t wait another day to take action. He won‘t be practicing in Mississippi." The Alabama medical board concluded that DeHenre‘s practice was conducted in such a way as to "endanger the health of patients," and found that he had committed "repeated malpractice."

DeHenry was also investigated after an abortion he performed on March 20, 2003. That patient began to hemorrhage and was transported to the University of Mississippi Medical Center, where she underwent a total hysterectomy.

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Searches: Three heroes of the culture of death

Harvey Karman was a self-styled "doctor" who was a darling of the abortion movement in the late 1960s and early 1970s. Even though he had killed Joyce Johnson in a motel-room abortion in 1955, he was nevertheless applauded for his invention of the Karman canula and for his "super coils". "Super coils" were plastic springs that Harvey believed could make second-trimester abortions so quick and easy that barely-trained laypeople could do them. The Jane abortion syndicate in Chicago brought him a busload of guinea pigs on Mother's Day of 1972, and the government of Bangladesh, in concert with the International Planned Parenthood Federation, brought him in to do his "super-coil" abortions -- augmented with balsa wood! -- on rape victims. When Roe was handed down, Harvey quickly vanished from public view.

Kevon Walker is the 21-year-old man charged with getting a 14-year-old girl pregnant three times in six months. The first of the three resulting abortins, Walker said, was the girl's mother's idea. Fat lot of good it did, Mom, to get her vacuumed out without getting the guy who got her pregnant arrested! It bewilders me that prolifers are supposedly the ones obsessed with fetuses, when there are evidenly plenty of prochociers who are equally obsessed, if not more so; it's just that they think that killing fetuses solves everything.

Sherri Finkbine was the Arizona Romper-Room lady who probably did more than anybody else -- even Norma "Jane Roe" McCorvey -- to unleash abortion on America. Finkbine did it by being cute, perky, non-threatening, a mom and a preschool teacher, who made getting a legal abortion a public crusade. Finkbine had illegally taken Thalidomide, and decided that a baby with missing or deformed limbs didn't deserve to live. Which I'd love to have seen her say to Johnny Eck, Jeannie Tomaini, Frieda Pushnik, or Randian.

A very sweet 16

VIDEO REPORT: Mother refuses abortion, daughter celebrates 16 years

The girl who wouldn't have a face? She's lovely. Click the link and see the video.

At seven months into the pregnancy, doctors realized that Donna Joy had a brain disorder called Holoprosencephaly, or HPE.

Physicians told Lori Vance that her child would be completely blind, likely deaf, likely born with no face, no ability to move limbs or suck and swallow.

"Basically, everything that makes you a human being was going to be missing," Vance told News Channel 11. "They wanted to terminate the pregnancy because they said she was going to die anyway," Vance said.

Vance refused.

She was determined to give Donna Joy a chance. "Even if it was only for a few minutes—to give her some dignity, wrap her up in a pretty blanket. Say ‘I love you’ and let her go," Vance said.

....

While the pre-natal studies on Donna Joy's brain were accurate, her functions have surpassed expectations.

"She didn't read the book on this disorder,” Vance said. “No one told her she couldn't do these things. So she does them anyway."

HT: Dawn Eden

Have you wised up yet, Sarah?

I'd say probably not.

Somebody was searching for Sarah Ghezaili. She's one of the folks who signed the Planned Parenthood petition to try to keep women ignorant and properly fed into the chute for the abortion mills Sarah added her own comment: "It is absolutely appalling that people need to take advantage of women who are seeking help and guidance to further their anti-choice cause."

Ah, but taking advantage of women seeking help and guidance in order to further the pro-abortion cause, and to make a buck, is okay, I'm assuming.

The whole campaign was a hoax in the first place. Does that bother you, Sarah? That you were punked by PP? Or does the fact that they're campions of "choice" excuse them?

Take a look at some of the things PP has done and tell me if you still think they're such nice people:

Planned Parenthood Association of Central and Northern Arizona performed two abortions in 1998 on a 13-year-old girl who was in foster care and being abused by her 23-year-old foster brother. PP performed the abortions without notifying either the girl's parents, foster parents, or Child Protective Service, leaving her subject to continued abuse. They sent another patient home, after inadequate informed consent; she expelled her dead 12-week fetus at home and got to learn the hard way, after the fact, exactly what it was the abortion killed. An employee reported this PP for puncturing a woman's uterus trying to vacuum out an ectopic pregnancy, among other wrongdoing.

Planned Parenthood of New York City was cited by inspectors for inadequate equipment, inadequately trained staff, unregistered nurse-anesthetists, and just general griminess. They've been sued multiple times for injuring women.

Planned Parenthood of Mid-Michigan was sued for trying to abort a baby in the third trimester, resulting in the premature birth of an injured child. Their negligence nearly killed a woman who actually had an ectopic pregnancy.

Planned Parenthood of San Francisco managed to perform an abortion without killing the baby -- they just ripped off an arm and a leg. When the still-living, though maimed, fetus was discovered in a later ultrasound, the mother underwent a second abortion, and was left traumatized.

Planned Parenthood of San Diego told my babysitter her 8-week fetus was "just like a blood clot" thus tricking her into consenting to an unwanted abortion. They waited until after the abortion to do 1:1 counseling and learn that the pregnancy in question was planned and wanted and only being aborted because her mom had threatened to throw her out. Then they took this girl, who wanted to get pregnant and was too squeamish about touching herself to even use tampons, and fitted her with a diaphragm. Needless to say, she was quickly pregnant again, and quickly forced into another abortion by her mother.

And how about the women who have died because they trusted Planned Parenthood?

Who should we be investigating, Sarah? Who should we be shutting down? Will you ever get tired of the lies and deception? Or will you cling to the abortion lobby's idea that it's better to be killed by prochoicers than to be shown yucky picturs by prolifers?

I'd be counting my blessings....

But this woman is less than delighted that her abortionist at Planned Parenthood managed to perform an abortion procedure that failed to kill the fetus. Here's another article about that case, this time naming the abortionist as Dr. Allison Bryant.

She's suing for the cost of raising the child. Has she never heard of adoption? It is possible to bear a child and bail out on the expenses, if you consider your own child to be such a horrible burden.

On the other hand, this woman has a more legitimate beef. Her Planned Parenthood abortionist managed to maim her baby without killing it. She underwent a second abortion instead of counting herself fortuate that her child's life had been spared, but she still has a legitimate gripe that they ripped an arm and a leg off her baby. (I wrote the case up back in 2005, but thought you folks might like a "secular" source rather than taking my word for it.)

While we're on the topis of PP, there's also this case, involving a 40-year-old woman who nearly bled to death after a PP abortion.

November 24 abortion nightmares

Barbara R., age 21, sued Women's Health Services in Pittsburgh after she underwent an abortion there on November 24, 1981. Barbara said that she was not provided with adequate informed consent prior to the abortion, nor with adequate follow-up instructions and care afterward. Two days later, Barbara was admitted to the hospital with severe fever, chills, and abdominal pain. Surgeons there found a septic incomplete abortion, with necrotic-appearing endometrial tissue. They also found a hole in Barbara's uterus, and pooled blood in her pelvic cavity. (Allegheny County Court of Common Pleas Case No. GD83-14156)

Vicky R. filed suit against the notorious Inglewood Women's Clinic after an abortion performed there by Stephen Pine on November 24, 1982. She suffered "perforation in the anterior lower uterine segment, left ovary and tube damaged with scar tissue, abdominal pain, vaginal discharge, urinary problems, severe shock to her nervous system, and other injuries." Vicky required hospitalization and care by physical therapists to recover from her injuries. (Los Angeles County Superior Court Case No. C476082) Vicky was lucky. Belinda Byrd, Kathy Murphy, Cora Lewis, Lynette Wallace, and Elizabeth Tsuji didn't survive their Inglewood abortions.

Mary L., age 29, filed suit against Dr. Robert F. Meger and Birth Control Care Center after an abortion she underwent there at Meger's hands on November 24, 1986. The suit says that Meger "punctured [Mary's] uterus and gouged out a portion of [her] colon." Twice Mary called the clinic to report pain, fever, and bleeding. Meger diagnosed her trouble as a urinary tract infection. Three days after the abortion, Mary was admitted to ths hospital, "wherein an intact fetus of 12 approximate weeks gestation, including an umbilical cord, and placental tissue were removed from Mary's abdominal cavity." Rather than remove the fetus, Meger had shoved it through a hole in Mary's uterus and left it there. Mary had to undergo surgery to repair her damaged uterus and colon. She was hospitalized for seven days. (Clark County District Court Cse No. A275976)

Roma H., age 32, went to I.C. Medical Building Associates for an abortion on November 24, 1987. She suffered severe pain and fever afterward, but when she called the clinic they assured her that her symptoms were normal. She was rushed to the hospital where she underwent a procedure to remove retained fetal tissue. (New York Daily News, December 15, 1989)

Tracie M., age 18, filed suit against Missippi abortionist Tommy Tucker. She said she submitted to an abortion by Tucker at his office on November 24, 1990. Her uterus and bowels were perforated, and other internal organs were injured and damaged. She required hospitalization and suffered permanent injury. (Jefferson County Circuit Court Civil Action No. CV913260) Tucker is the aborionist responsible for the death of Angela Hall.

Ultrasound helps resolve ambivalence, rejection

Option Ultrasound Saving Lives. (HT: Women for Life)

Pregnancy centers using ultrasound machines report that 88% of their abortion-minded patient reject abortion after seeing an ultrasound of their unborn baby. This is far from the first report on the power of ultrasounds to help women get past their normal initial ambivalance toward, or rejection of, the pregnancy:

• "Surprise or shock is often the initial reaction to the validation of pregnancy. Caplan (1959) indicated that initial rejection of pregnancy is common, but that it is generally followed by acceptance at the end of the first trimester." (Lederman, Psychosocial Adaptation in Pregnancy, 1984)
  
  
• "Those who plead for an extensive relaxation of the law [against abortion] have no idea of the very many cases where a woman who, during the first three months, makes a most impassioned appeal for her pregnancy to be 'finished,' later, when the baby is born, is thankful indeed that it was not killed while still an embryo. During my long years in practice I have had many a letter of the deepest gratitude for refusing to accede to an early appeal." (A. Bourne, A Doctor's Creed: The Memoirs of a Gynecologist, 1963)
  
  
• "[Members of the 1955 Planned Parenthood conference on abortion] agreed, and this was backed up by evidence from the Scandinavians, that when a woman seeking an abortion is given the chance of talking over her problem with a properly trained and oriented person, she will in the process very often resolve many of her qualms and will spontaneously decide to see the pregnancy through, particularly if she is assured that supportive help will continue to be available to her." (Calderone, "Illegal Abortion as a Public Health Problem," American Journal of Public Health, July 1960)
  
  
• "M.J. Daly has noted that the legitimately pregnant woman, and often those illegitimately pregnant too, are ambivalent to the pregnancy. This ambivalence is so universal that it may be considered normal in the first trimester. "The Unwanted Pregnancy," Clinical Obstetrics and Gynecology, 1970." (Cited in Gardner, Abortion: The Personal Dilemma, 1972)
  
  
• "Ambivalence is another emotional response observed in many pregnant women. .... Surprise or shock may be the initial reaction, followed by very mixed feelings. .... Rubin believes that few women who become pregnant feel ready 'now.' .... Initial rejection of the pregnancy is common, Caplan states, but it is usually replaced by acceptance by the end of the first trimester." (Nichols and Humenick, Childbirth Education: Practice, Research, and Theory, 1988)

This can also be seen in the case of women who initially rejected the pregnancy enough to actually submit to an abortion, only to change their minds after learning that the fetus had survived the attempt on his or her life.

Which all, of course, makes it crystal clear why the abortion lobby is so dead-set against requiring abortionists to offer women the opportunity to see their ultrasounds prior to going through with the abortion.

My favorite cartoon theme

Does anybody else miss the Alf and AlfTales cartoons as much as I do?

The Child Rapist Fanclub Across the Water

Remember Francisco Fletes Sanchez, that guy in Nicarauga who raped his 9-year-old stepdaughter, got her pregnant, then got "feminist" groups to help him cover up his crime? Guess who else was cheering him on and holding him up as role model. The BBC.