tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8395646.post2724541522116497765..comments2024-03-06T19:21:15.708-05:00Comments on RealChoice: Operation Safe XChristina Duniganhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04785550737493692252noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8395646.post-73581773494594794972010-01-12T01:54:33.952-05:002010-01-12T01:54:33.952-05:00Granny Grump is secretly me, too!Granny Grump is secretly me, too!OperationCounterstrikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11877707857942926743noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8395646.post-87960408755153787072010-01-12T00:20:48.197-05:002010-01-12T00:20:48.197-05:00Did anyone say dissociative identity disorder?Did anyone say dissociative identity disorder?Tonal Blisshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03198001091701514327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8395646.post-66806431183442570432010-01-11T22:22:12.214-05:002010-01-11T22:22:12.214-05:00OK, I confess. Chad Tonka is secretly me. --OC.OK, I confess. Chad Tonka is secretly me. --OC.OperationCounterstrikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11877707857942926743noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8395646.post-90359202428322700922010-01-11T21:22:56.803-05:002010-01-11T21:22:56.803-05:00Christina
Maybe you can explain how these statist...Christina<br /><br /><i>Maybe you can explain how these statistics satisfactorily prove that legalizing abortion was a public health triumph.</i><br /><br />Maybe you didn't read my previous post. Or maybe you didn't understand it.<br /><br />This graph as you've presented it doesn't "prove" anything. They are descriptive not inferential data.<br /><br />ChadAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8395646.post-2843078268935340412010-01-11T19:46:10.402-05:002010-01-11T19:46:10.402-05:00Chad (who strangely only shows up when OC is here)...Chad (who strangely only shows up when OC is here) --<br /><br />Maybe you can explain how these statistics satisfactorily prove that legalizing abortion was a public health triumph.Christina Duniganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04785550737493692252noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8395646.post-79822131553420519032010-01-11T15:21:13.612-05:002010-01-11T15:21:13.612-05:00Christina
If your only point here is that abortio...Christina<br /><br />If your only point here is that abortion advocates use rhetorical flourishes, then who cares? Every political movement (including the ones you support) does so. I’m not sure what’s the big deal.<br /><br />Also, you are playing fast and loose with statistics. Lillput’s criticism is correct – if you don’t correct for population change, then the results are misleading.<br /><br />But more damaging, you are confusing <i>descriptive statistics</i> (which describe a state of affairs) with <i>inferential statistics</i> (which allow you to make claims about associations among variables). What you have here is descriptive, and allows you no warrant to make inferences.<br /><br />ChadAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8395646.post-2882411625324392062010-01-11T07:52:08.004-05:002010-01-11T07:52:08.004-05:00Howdy, Lil!
Those are great questions.
I have li...Howdy, Lil!<br /><br />Those are great questions.<br /><br />I have little doubt that the number of abortions went way up with legalization. That's one of my arguments against it -- that legalization doesn't just ensure that women who would have had abortions anyway can now have them safely, but subjects more women to abortions. If Christopher Tietze's research is solid -- which I think it is -- the increase in abortions with legalization isn't merely because women who were otherwise inclined to have their babies end up aborting them instead (though no doubt this is often the case). Tietze's research indicated that women inclined to use abortion take more risks with contraception when abortion is readily available, and thus have more pregnancies that they end up aborting.<br /><br />As for the idea that more abortion deaths were hidden before legalization than after, I don't buy that at all. Before legalization, merely failing to report the death as an abortion death was a crime. Tips from funeral directors, coroners, and ordinary citizens were taken very seriously. After all, it wasn't a crime to have a patient die of pneumonia; it was to kill her performing an abortion. It was murder. Law enforcement tends to take murder cases pretty seriously.<br /><br />With legalization, abortion deaths were no longer homicides. They were a civil matter between the surviving family members and the doctor. There was no longer any reason to investigate. If a funeral director were to call the cops and say, "Dr. Jones said Susan died from deep leg vein thrombosis, but I think it was an abortion," the cops would say, "Your point being?" Unless the family wants to get into hideous litigation and the character assassination of their loved one that the abortionist's lawyer will do, the death gets noted as not being from an abortion and that's that.Christina Duniganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04785550737493692252noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8395646.post-17849017200431824382010-01-11T05:45:13.973-05:002010-01-11T05:45:13.973-05:00Hi Christine
Happy New Year
The graph is very in...Hi Christine<br /><br />Happy New Year<br /><br />The graph is very interesting but I wanted to know if its a number thing ie the numbers of women having abortions rose when it was legalised but still the proportion that died was much less the before Roe. Also because it was illegal I am sure that a number of women died of botched abostions prior to Roe that were recorded as other types of deaths so they couldn't be prosecuted and therefore counted.Lilliputhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10793985988929869028noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8395646.post-35596411328214558322010-01-11T05:37:47.475-05:002010-01-11T05:37:47.475-05:00I agree there was a lot of alarmism about the Hyde...I agree there was a lot of alarmism about the Hyde Amendment. Just as now there is alarmism about the alleged "shortage" of abortion docs. In fact the number of abortion docs is determined almost entirely by the demand for abortions.<br /><br />Did you all see the Forbes article about why insurance companies pay for abortions? Jill Stanek blogged about it. The reason is ... brace yourself ... abortions save money! And of course, if the national health plan pays for abortions, that will save money too, for exactly the same reason. <br /><br />What should we do with the money we will save by having our national health plan cover abortions? Should we return it to the taxpayers as a tax-cut? Pay off some of the national debt? Pay our soldiers more? Spend it on fighting terror? Building roads? We could even give some of the savings to faith-based charities.OperationCounterstrikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11877707857942926743noreply@blogger.com