tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8395646.post4328348814733410462..comments2024-03-06T19:21:15.708-05:00Comments on RealChoice: The latest PP undercover video catches a "counselor" in some spectacular liesChristina Duniganhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04785550737493692252noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8395646.post-28389039699246210712009-12-17T15:41:45.605-05:002009-12-17T15:41:45.605-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Tonal Blisshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03198001091701514327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8395646.post-78061496909201211642009-12-16T20:35:27.442-05:002009-12-16T20:35:27.442-05:00Well, next time you talk to a PP director, I'm...Well, next time you talk to a PP director, I'm sure you'll bring it up.Kathyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10118292622669944944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8395646.post-47641326756115134332009-12-16T14:30:03.651-05:002009-12-16T14:30:03.651-05:00Your previous statement was, "Childbirth requ...Your previous statement was, "Childbirth requires major surgery with a frequency somewhere between one in four (USA) and one in ten (third world). "<br /><br />This is factually incorrect. Just because the rate of surgery is that high (or low) does not mean that it "requires" it. C-sections are overused. And they rarely save the life of the mother. Most frequently they are used because of fear of the child being harmed or killed (typically due to overuse of interventions such as inductions and augmentations that adversely affect the fetal heart-rate and its ability to handle the contractions).<br /><br />Besides, your statement in context implies that a C-section is required to save the life of the mother. No. A C-section is rarely required to save the life of the mother. Sure, when a C-section is performed, it is major surgery and increases mortality -- which is a reason for you to support <a href="http://ican-online.org" rel="nofollow">ICAN</a> and other such groups. But the C-section rate can safely be decreased in the US without raising maternal or perinatal mortality or morbidity. C-sections are not "required". The full-term fetus could be dismembered, to allow it to be removed from the uterus, without a C-section. But most women would find that abhorrent.<br /><br />Far better for you to throw your energy into supporting safe motherhood practices like lowering the rate of interventions, than in trying to increase the abortion rate.Kathyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10118292622669944944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8395646.post-89740026599472214062009-12-16T07:25:33.773-05:002009-12-16T07:25:33.773-05:00OC, I've said it before and I'll say it ag...OC, I've said it before and I'll say it again -- the overwhelming majority of C-sections done in this country and probably most other countries are NOT done to save the life or health of the mother, but are done to save the life or health of the baby. Back in the 70s, when maternal mortality was at its lowest rate in the US (single digits), the C-section rate was 5%. The MMR is now double that, with the C-section rate at 30% and climbing.Kathyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10118292622669944944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8395646.post-3648337498361763682009-12-15T21:32:20.247-05:002009-12-15T21:32:20.247-05:00"Heart tones" is a common term when the ..."Heart tones" is a common term when the woman is in labor -- "fetal heart tones" is interchangeable with "fetal heart rate"! Which happens much before 17-18 weeks, as you pointed out. Often, women can hear their baby's heart beat during an early ultrasound or during any prenatal checkup, with Doppler u/s.<br /><br />But it surprised me that the PP person said that the baby could survive at 17-18 weeks! Usually they downplay early fetal survivability, claiming that babies born as late as 21-23 weeks rarely or never survive, or that all have severe disabilities (which is partly but not always true).<br /><br />Technically, she's right that a fetus becomes a baby at birth, as far as definitions go... and an infant stops being an infant on his first birthday -- but it's still a baby, a child, a human. She is dehumanizing the baby, but technically accurate. Still, it's sort of like saying of a grandmother, "She's a *senior citizen* not a *person*" -- just not right!<br /><br />An embryo and a fetus are not supposedly interchangeable terms -- the baby is called an embryo up to about 8 weeks, and is a fetus from that point until birth. Then it's a neonate until 28 days, then an infant until 1 year, then a toddler, pre-K, kindergartner, etc. But it's all the same entity. It's still murder.Kathyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10118292622669944944noreply@blogger.com