tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8395646.post5710215169140181885..comments2024-03-06T19:21:15.708-05:00Comments on RealChoice: Abortion deaths in 1923Christina Duniganhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04785550737493692252noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8395646.post-36666498505340426872008-12-24T15:13:00.000-05:002008-12-24T15:13:00.000-05:00Yes, I agree with you that women need to rise up -...Yes, I agree with you that women need to rise up - but its easy for us in the civilised west to say when we have had at least 4 decades of reproductive freedom/emancipation - due to the pill. Its really hard to rise up when you don't even have power over your own body. I agree with you that its a case of two wrongs don't make a right but I'm just seeing a situation where women are forced to have sex and then forced to carry the consequences. The only less patriachal societies we have are those in the West where women have full rights - including reproductive. To be honest - that last sentence actually makes me feel very sad.<BR/><BR/>In terms of using evil for good ends - its like that saying that one man's rubbish is another's gold. The evil here - as far as I can see - is poverty, and besides some very drastic wealth distribution - which I believe is very unAmercan, the only way to reduce it is to reduce the number of children born to parents who cannot feed them. Otherwise nature will just take its course with high infant/child mortality rates.<BR/><BR/>LilliputAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8395646.post-7259455797406340962008-12-24T14:04:00.000-05:002008-12-24T14:04:00.000-05:00Do you think that there was as much or less pressu...<I>Do you think that there was as much or less pressure on women to have abortions pre legalisation?</I><BR/><BR/>I think there was less pressure -- But I have to say that studying some pre-legalization cases was an eye opener in terms of how much pressure was still brought to bear. That's something that I wish I could get prolifers to catch on to. Criminalization is a capstone in an arch, protecting women from the pressures to abort. But it isn't the entire arch by any means. <BR/><BR/><I>What do you think about the high levels of poverty in South American countries with huge numbers of streetchildren - I'm thinking particularly of places like Rio where the police justrounded them up and killed them . I know abortion is horrific - but in cases where mothers are not able to provide food for their children and have no power to demand sex with birth control - can it be the case of the lesser of two evils?</I><BR/><BR/>You can't use evil means to achieve good ends. Remember the saying, "The road to Hell is paved with good intentions." You need to address the actual evils. After all, those kids are in horrible situations not because they were born, but because they were born into a world where people are making evil choices. Condoning yet another evil choice isn't going to improve things! You fight evil with good, not with more evil. <BR/><BR/>It's like the argument for eugenic abortions -- "Oh, those kids would just get put in terrible institutions and live a wretched life!" But it wasn't the children, after all, who had built those wretched institutions. The solution was to abolish the institutions. Is it an easy task? No, and we're far from finished. But the prospects for a child with, say, Down syndrome are much brighter than they were even a generation ago -- because enough parents insisted that they weren't going to choose between killing the child and institutionalizing him.<BR/><BR/>When WOMEN rise up and start demanding better, THAT is when we're going to make the biggest inroads against the evils that drive women to such an act. The law can only take you so far.Christina Duniganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04785550737493692252noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8395646.post-88530040497968897342008-12-24T12:34:00.000-05:002008-12-24T12:34:00.000-05:00Hi ChristinaI was wondering about two things:1. Do...Hi Christina<BR/><BR/>I was wondering about two things:<BR/>1. Do you think that there was as much or less pressure on women to have abortions pre legalisation?<BR/><BR/>2. What do you think about the high levels of poverty in South American countries with huge numbers of streetchildren - I'm thinking particularly of places like Rio where the police justrounded them up and killed them . I know abortion is horrific - but in cases where mothers are not able to provide food for their children and have no power to demand sex with birth control - can it be the case of the lesser of two evils?<BR/><BR/>LilliputAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com