Thursday, November 11, 2010

NRLC plans follow-up on pro-life election victories

  • NRLC hosting strategy conference based on pro-life gains, Carhart’s expansion plans: One winning strategy national leaders are considering is Nebraska’s Pain-Capable Unborn Child Protection Act. Carhart is raising money to expand his abortion empire into areas where nobody cares if you rip the arms off live babies or not, ostensibly because it would be just such a long, drawn-out battle to fight the Nebraska law. He, and his fans, say they're waiting for the time to be right. But when is the time right to defend reaching into the womb and twisting the arms and legs off babies that are 20+ weeks old?

    Carhart knows what other abortion supporters know: that testimony about how you rip the arms and legs off living unborn children isn't good public relations. Let's revisit it, shall we (italics mine):

    Question: Are there times when you don’t remove the fetus intact?

    Carhart: Yes, sir.

    Question: Can you tell me about that, when that occurs?

    Carhart: That occurs when the tissue fragments, or frequently when you rupture the membranes, an arm will spontaneously prolapse through the oz. I think most...statistically the most common presentation, we talk about the forehead or the skull being first. We talked about the feet being first, but I think in probably the great majority of terminations, it’s what they world call a transverse lie, so really you’re looking at a side profile of a curved fetus. When the patient...the uterus is already starting to contract and they are starting to [expel the fetus], when you rupture the waters, usually something prolapses through the uterine, through the cervical os, not always, but very often an extremity will.

    Question: What do you do then?

    Carhart: My normal course would be to dismember that extremity and then go back and try to take the fetus out either foot or skull first, whatever end I can get to first.

    Question: How do you go about dismembering that extremity?

    Carhart: Just traction and rotation, grasping the portion that you can get a hold of which would be usually somewhere up the shaft of the exposed portion of the fetus, pulling down on it through the os, using the internal os as your counter-traction and rotating to dismember the shoulder or the hip or whatever it would be. Sometimes you will get one leg and you can’t get the other leg out.

    Question: In that situation, are you, when you pull on the arm and remove it, is the fetus still alive?

    Carhart: Yes.

    Question: Do you consider an arm, for example, to be a substantial portion of the fetus?

    Carhart: In the way I read it, I think if I lost my arm, that would be a substantial loss to me. I think I would have to interpret it that way.

    Question: And then what happens next after you remove the arm? You then try to remove the rest of the fetus?

    Carhart: Then I would go back and attempt to either bring the feet down or bring the skull down, or even sometimes you bring the other arm down and remove that also and then get the feet down.

    Question: At what point is the fetus...does the fetus die during that process?

    Carhart: I don’t really know. I know that the fetus is alive during the process most of the time because I can see fetal heartbeat on the ultrasound.

    When is a good time to be providing fresh testimony of this sort, when you know that National Right to Life and every prolife blogger on the planet will be sharing it?

    I think we have a winning strategy.

    OperationCounterstrike said...

    The testimony you quote is dated. Nowadays the first thing you do is kill the fetus with an intracardiac injection of salts. So by the time you start dismembering the fetus, it's already dead.

    GrannyGrump said...

    Maybe you do, but I don't.

    And anyway I'd just LOVE to have the Battle of the Abortionists, where they slog it out in public, a la Warnie Hern and Millie Hanson, about the relative virtues of crushing the skull to watch the brains ooze out the mother's cervix versus sucking out the brain first so the brain can't get into the mother's blood stream through the scrapes the sharp skull fragments cause in her cervix.

    Bring a bunch of your abortionist buddies in here and they can compare notes of the relative advantages and drawbacks of the pre-dismemberment lethal injection. By all means!