Friday, July 03, 2009

In those three days.... What happens to the fetus between killing and expulsion in a late term abortion?

Somg, under his new screen name "Operation Counterstrike" (Isn't he ever so clever?), has been asserting that late term fetuses don't rot during the three days between being killed by lethal injection and being delivered.

In his presentation paper on D&X ("Partial Birth Abortion"), Martin Haskell described first how late D&E abortions were done. Because the fetus was so difficult to dismember, abortionists would kill it on Day 1, so that "autolysis" would "soften" the tissues for dismemberment during the days that the cervix was being dilated.

Autolysis. The first step in the decomposition of a corpse. Decomposition. A fancy word for rotting. The fetus will undergo autolysis -- rotting -- whether the abortionist is planning to dismember it or induce labor so it's expelled whole.

Let's step away from cases in which the baby is deliberately put to death and look at late miscarriages or stillbirth.

Maceration and The Timing of Intrauterine Death: "Maceration is the process of tissue degeneration which begins to occur as soon as an undelivered infant dies. It arises secondary to the effects of autolytic enzimes." (Emphasis mine)

Within hours after death changes occur in the epidermal-dermal junction resulting in what usually is termed ‘skin slippage’. If the skin is rubbed the epidermis will detach from the underlying tissues. Shortly thereafter, fluid begins to accumulate under the skin. Bullae (blisters) may develop (which should not be misinterpreted as being secondary to an abnormality of development such as epidermolysis bullosa). These bullae rupture spontaneously or from delivery resulting in patchy denudation of the skin. Sloughing of skin from larger and greater number of surfaces indicates that the interval between death and delivery is longer. With antenatal death more than a few days prior to delivery other changes begin to occur including generalized hypermobility of joints, change in the color of the fetal skin surfaces to a pale grey-yellow and liquefaction of internal organs.

Let's look at this page, that has a chart for physicians to estimate from gross examination (looking at the body with the naked eye rather than doing a microscopic examination of tissues).

By around 8 hours -- after the woman has been sent to the motel, but long before she returns for the first change of laminaria -- the fetus will show "'parboiled' reddened skin".

At around 12 hours, you'll see some skin slippage. Click here for a picture of skin slippage in a stillborn baby that had been dead about half a day before delivery.

Within 24 hours -- roughly the time the woman returns for the first change of laminaria -- the skin of the fetus will have begun to blister.

At about 2 days -- when the woman is returning for the second change of laminaria -- the fetal internal organs will start to show hemoglobin staining.

Between 8 hours and 2 days -- still during the time the woman is staying in a motel room with a friend or family member, before labor is induced -- the fetus will show "skin slippage and peeling".

During the time after 2 days -- one or two days before labor is induced -- the dead fetus will start to show more skin slippage, and the internal organs will become even more discolored.

This commentary on the autopsy findings on Lacy Peterson's unborn baby also describes the decomposition typically seen after death in-utero:

 Gross Feature

Time from Death to Delivery 

at least

Areas of desquamated skin measuring 1 cm
or more in diameter
6 hours
Cord discoloration (brown or red)6 hours
Desquamation involving the skin of the face, back, or abdomen12 hours
Desquamation of 5% or more of the body surface18 hours
Desquamation involving 2 or more of the 11 body zones18 hours
Brown or tan discoloration of the skin, usually involving the abdomen24 hours
Moderate or severe desquamation 24 hours
Mummification (any)2 weeks

To see this illustrated, you can go to this page and note that the typical third trimester fetus spends 3-4 days in utero, dead, depending on his size, while the abortionist performs daily changes of laminaria in order to dilate the mother's cervix. The degree of maceration that would be seen is illustrated in pictures C and D. If you scroll down you can read that at 72 hours -- when labor would be induced to deliver a smaller third-trimester aborted baby -- about 75% of the baby's skin will be slipping. At 96 hours, when a larger baby would be expelled, the pieces of the baby's skull begin to overlap due to tissue deterioration.

In other words, the baby is rotting. It's a corpse. That's what corpses do. They rot. In this case, they're rotting inside their mother's wombs for three days in order to make absolutely sure that they aren't born alive.

I would challenge Somg, and other rotting-baby abortion defenders, what maternal health concern they can think of that would make killing the fetus three days prior to delivery necessary. What maternal health concern will be improved by the maceration of the fetus in her body over a three day period? Her physical health? Her mental health?


OperationCounterstrike said...

Ummm, no GG, dear, detatching of skin and formation of blisters, even very wide blisters, is not "rotting". Nor is autodigestion by selective tissues. At least to me, "rotting" means something that stinks of bacterial colonization. Like meat that's, well, rotting.

Sure if you leave it long enough the intestinal bacteria will eventually digest their way through the casing into the abdomen, but that takes more than three days. If the presence of those bacteria makes the late-term abortus a rotting corpse, then every unpreserved corpse, including the guy who dropped thirty seconds ago, is also a rotting corpse. In fact your intestine is rotting too, it's just also growing back fast enough to keep the rotting contained. So you're a rotting non-corpse. Like the right-to-life movement.

Ladybug said...
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Ladybug said...

OC, while you use an arbitrary definition based on your opinion, Christina at least uses scientific data to describe what is defined by science as decomposition. Oh, and save your condenscing clap trip for elsewhere.

Ladybug said...

Here's the correct definition of rot, of which decompose and decay are synanyms, from Rot (verb) 1. to undergo decomposition; decay. 2. To deteriate, disintegrate, fall, or become weak due to decay. I would say the descriptions in the studies which Christina provides meets the critea for rot or decay. Need I go on?

Ladybug said...

Oh and that's condescending, not condescing, typed too fast.

OperationCounterstrike said...

Rachel C, all the events you and GG describe--loosening of skin, blisters, autodigestion, the beginning of decomposition, occur in meat before it gets cooked and eaten. Obviously that doesn't mean the meat is rotton. If it meant that then ALL meat would be rotton meat.

Sometimes condescention is appropriate and justified.

Tonal Bliss said...

Somg, we COOK our meat.

Christina Dunigan said...

Sega, I was thinking of resuming comment abortions, but there's something about giving Somg enough rope and watching him hang himself that almost makes up for the annoyance.

Tonal Bliss said...

Very true, Christina. :) Keep up the great work on your blog. I enjoy reading it.

Christina Dunigan said...

Comment abortions have resumed! It's my blog! It's my right!

Anonymous said...

At around 12 hours, you'll see some skin slippage with cheap viagra and maybe you would find your answer.

Maija O said...

I have to agree with OC, the body of the fetus does begin to decompose, but it is not rotting. Rotting is not the same as autolysis or maceration. The fetus does not have bacteria in it that would cause rotting in utero even after several days or weeks.

Autolysis is what happens when the enzymes in our body and in our cells are left "unguarded" when the cell or the body dies; the enzymes begin to destroy our tissues. Of course since a dead body does not supply more enzymes, the enzymes only work for so long.

Maceration it what happens to skin or tissues in water. You've probably seen mild maceration on your own skin some time.

Also the mummification happens when there are no or very little (funtioning) bacteria present. Mummification may happen to a body that has been alive (outside the womb), if something in the surroundings restricts the growth of the bacteria.

Death is not pretty, of course. But three days wait with an aborted fetus is not an infection risk for a mother. Sometimes mothers unfortunately carry dead babies for weeks, for example if the mother is expecting twins and one of the babies dies long before the birth.